ff ...or at the very least, stated with biased, antagonistic overtones.
Top 10 Military Nations
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ff ...or at the very least, stated with biased, antagonistic overtones.If you are talking of defence from invasion by another (non specific) country on their own soil:
1.China
Reason is of the overwhelming number of Chinese inside and outside China capable of being militia reserves, Chinese are known for their sense of belonging to their race making a morale boost along with slogans. Not mentioning the modernization of the PLA. If war breaks out it will be chaos and in an invasion of conquest Chinese will fight to extermination. I think the Sino-Japanese war is solid evidence.
2.Russia
Russians although collapsed and with it's former glory stripped off it. Russians share the sense of belonging to their race throughout entire Russia. From the urban Moscow to the port of Vladivostok in times of need it's citizens will rise together to form a nation of might and determination to be independent.
Both their First and second 'Great Patriotic War' are perfect examples of determination.
3.USA
Despite it's advanced modernized army which is what most in the world would say the 'strongest'. Being an country of migrants it's citizens do not all share a common goal unlike other countries. As you know the Russian-Americans care more about Russia than America the Chinese-Americans worry about China more than America. In times of invasions the USA's citizens would not be as united&determined however their army& strategic position easily makes up for this. The American way of life and lack of concern of political and matters outside their normal lives are proof of this.
4.Vietnam
I'm surprised that countries like India which had been colonised for centuries without struggles have been mentioned and this country has not. The Vietnamese are determined people constantly seeking freedom. Their flexible use and knowledge of the geographical features of their country have been exploited in all struggles. The liberation of Vietnam greatly shows the characteristics of the Vietnamese people.
5.UK
A country of great influence to the 21st century world a product of the age of exploration, despite this countries size it once possessed an empire so great known as the British Empire. It is said the sun never sets on the British Empire. Country of great military might and it's strategic position being offshore greatly helps it defend itself. Evidence is that the British remained free throughout much of it's history unlike it's neighbouring countries.
6.Australia
Australia, settlement of the convicts being on the bottom of the world making it a hard target to reach and most of it being dry desert creates little motivation for the enemy to attack other than it's stockpile of Uranium. As well as this country being a fast developing nation with a large reserve of Uranium beneath. Not much direct evidence can prove this as Australians have been in few wars.
7.Japan
Although currently without a formal army this country has been the home to a land of chaos for many centuries of wars between shoguns. The homeland to many of the worlds martial philosophies makes this country a formidable enemy of the battlefield. The Japanese people's natural instinct of sticking together brings them into such a high rank. Proof is that the last few months on Okinawa, Iwo Jima, and others despite their worn out conditions the Japanese fought bravely and as determined as ever.These historic battles of grandfathers have proved this country of great military capability.
I myself am Chinese but the lines I say between these 7 countries are very slight and vague and perhaps not even there.
1.China
Reason is of the overwhelming number of Chinese inside and outside China capable of being militia reserves, Chinese are known for their sense of belonging to their race making a morale boost along with slogans. Not mentioning the modernization of the PLA. If war breaks out it will be chaos and in an invasion of conquest Chinese will fight to extermination. I think the Sino-Japanese war is solid evidence.
2.Russia
Russians although collapsed and with it's former glory stripped off it. Russians share the sense of belonging to their race throughout entire Russia. From the urban Moscow to the port of Vladivostok in times of need it's citizens will rise together to form a nation of might and determination to be independent.
Both their First and second 'Great Patriotic War' are perfect examples of determination.
3.USA
Despite it's advanced modernized army which is what most in the world would say the 'strongest'. Being an country of migrants it's citizens do not all share a common goal unlike other countries. As you know the Russian-Americans care more about Russia than America the Chinese-Americans worry about China more than America. In times of invasions the USA's citizens would not be as united&determined however their army& strategic position easily makes up for this. The American way of life and lack of concern of political and matters outside their normal lives are proof of this.
4.Vietnam
I'm surprised that countries like India which had been colonised for centuries without struggles have been mentioned and this country has not. The Vietnamese are determined people constantly seeking freedom. Their flexible use and knowledge of the geographical features of their country have been exploited in all struggles. The liberation of Vietnam greatly shows the characteristics of the Vietnamese people.
5.UK
A country of great influence to the 21st century world a product of the age of exploration, despite this countries size it once possessed an empire so great known as the British Empire. It is said the sun never sets on the British Empire. Country of great military might and it's strategic position being offshore greatly helps it defend itself. Evidence is that the British remained free throughout much of it's history unlike it's neighbouring countries.
6.Australia
Australia, settlement of the convicts being on the bottom of the world making it a hard target to reach and most of it being dry desert creates little motivation for the enemy to attack other than it's stockpile of Uranium. As well as this country being a fast developing nation with a large reserve of Uranium beneath. Not much direct evidence can prove this as Australians have been in few wars.
7.Japan
Although currently without a formal army this country has been the home to a land of chaos for many centuries of wars between shoguns. The homeland to many of the worlds martial philosophies makes this country a formidable enemy of the battlefield. The Japanese people's natural instinct of sticking together brings them into such a high rank. Proof is that the last few months on Okinawa, Iwo Jima, and others despite their worn out conditions the Japanese fought bravely and as determined as ever.These historic battles of grandfathers have proved this country of great military capability.
I myself am Chinese but the lines I say between these 7 countries are very slight and vague and perhaps not even there.
FriedRiceNSpice
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Evidence of what? Evidence that a 2nd rate world power can walk all over China, take 90% of China's industrial areas and all except for one of its major cities (Chongqing) and stay entrenched in Chinese territory for 6 years before they finally withdrew after having their own cities incinerated by atomic and incendiary bombing? The reason that China was carved into spheres of influence was that the Chinese people felt no sense of patriotism or national duty. Throughout history, the peasants were only concerned with having enough to eat and the upper class concerned with securing their own luxuries. In the Song dynast, the Song nobility let the weaker Jin walk all over Song lands, and Song peasants didn't even put up any sort of resistance. When a true patriot finally rose up (Yue Fei), he was executed! The same thing happened with the Ming, the upper class never bothered to adress the Manchu problem, and the peasants actually rebelled against the Ming instead of uniting to fight off the invaders. The Qing cared little when the Western powers carved their territory up, the Chinese peasantry didn't care to resist either. At least in the Sino-Japanese war, the Chinese actually made an effort to resist.
It is evidence of the Chinese nationalism and it's perhaps it's rapid developement.
I'm not quite sure what you meant by second rate world power, but if you are trying to say they weren't much and they still took China. I say you're wrong Japan was one of the strongest countries of that time and could take on most countries with ease 1 on 1. What helped them even more is that China was in middle of a civil war making it a 3 faction war. 90% of China's industrial areas? China had almost no industry until end of the war.
You're right Chinese had much corruption among the officials, but what you have listed are the conditions of what hundreds of years ago which are no longer valid.
FriedRiceNSpice
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The US economy was over 5 times bigger, the Soviet and Germany economies were 2-3 times bigger than Japan's. Prior to WWII, the Japanese attempted to invade the USSR but couldn't even defeat the Soviet Far East troops. On the other hand, when Germany first invaded the USSR, they went right through the Soviet's best formations. The Japanese had invsted in a powerful navy, but after one year theyir navy never won a battle against the US.
They eventaully did resist. But they were 100 years too late. And Sun was more concerned about overthrowing the Manchus than the Westerners.
Chinese nationalism did evolve, but even today it is too little too late. Look at nations like the US and USSR, where nationalism has been strong for much longer. Even today, the PRC is very very corrupt, full of officials who care for their own pockets more than their nation. But there are good officials too, like Hu Jintao. I am making these claims as a Chinese nationalist, and I personally would rather see China under self-government no matter how corrupt than under the yoke of foreign imperialism. I just wish that more in China would put their country ahead of themselves.
Roger604
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Sorry for the off-topic, but quoted for truth. Since the Song dynasty, the ruling-class Chinese have been "Ah-Q", while the peasants have been defeatist and apathetic.
Yue Fei is looking at a very different China (Mao era?) than the reality. The reality is that traditionally the Chinese are not a nationalistic people.
Well given the fact that nationalism was invented in late 19th century, how could they or for that matter anyone else be?
And yeas you all are now quite offtopic. This topic is vague from the outset so don't push it..
And yeas you all are now quite offtopic. This topic is vague from the outset so don't push it..
FriedRiceNSpice
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Your are right, the ideology of nationalsim did not develop until Napoleon's time. Perhaps better terms would be a sense of duty to one's nation and patriotism. In the Roman Empire, for example, every citizen beleived in doing his duty for Rome. In medieval Europe the population generally had some sense of patriotism and common cultural identity. The French didn't sit idly by while the English took them over. More so, nationalism didn't develop in China until the mid twentieth century, while Europeans and hte Japanese adopted it in the nineteenth century. Chinese history between the fall of the Qing and the Chinese Civil War which ended in 1949 is characterized by individuals that put themselves ahead of their naion.
As for this thread going off-topic- at least we're being civil here and staying away from politics, bashing, and flaming, right? I would've expected a thread of this nature (Top 10 Militaries) to be closed a long time again. It is such a silly and nonsense topic.
I said one of the greatest world powers, I ask you which one of the countries you listed are centered in Asia? And the only reasons why the Germans had such an easy victory in the beginning was because Barbarossa was responded to much slower than it should have been, Stalin still had diplomats trying to contact Berlin even some 17 hours if I remember correctly the blitz had commenced. As soon as the Russians responded the Germans got moved back to Moscow and never had the success or anything like the success they had in the first 17 hours ever again. This is starting to get off topic.
Why was he concerned about overthrowing the Manchus, because he seeked independence for his people.
If you are say too little for the fraction of people that are true patriots, you are right it is too little. But in numbers it is a large number, although it could be greater.
USSR nationalism much more stronger and longer? I ask you, who sells the weaponry of the old Russia illegally to the west? Who steals from the army to sell on the blackmarket?
You are losing me here, you just seem to tell me it is better without pointing out to me how.
I agree 100%, but have you not noticed the change in such a short time? From times of Mao who would have almost definately made his son his successor if hadn't it be he had died in Korea. To the modern China with leaders seeking improvement in China. Since Hu, I have seen my old town improve for the better in the central city skyscrapers to the backstreet alleys.
Ok as you apparently have all said enough of "top 10 militaries" and wasting the bandwith just chitchatting over somewhat flamable and indeed forbidden issues, I think its good time to call it for today.
This thread have served it purpose and it's way pass its bedtime
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This thread have served it purpose and it's way pass its bedtime
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