The sinking of South Korean Corvette Cheonan

bigstick61

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A short story from my naval friends:

A junior rating asked a senior officer, after a missile attack simulation, why they did not practice being hit by a torpedo. The senior officer replied: "Why, do you want to practice being dead?".

Torpedoes are a considerably more powerful weapon; a missile attack, you can probably survive a missile hit and limp away. Torpedoes on the other hand will tear a very sizable hole in your ship, if not outright breaking the keel of the ship because the water acts to concentrate the blast towards the hull, magnifying the damage. It will throw everyone off their feet, injuring people, and severely damaging equipment as well.

Outside of the very large warship classes, torpedoes designed to explode under the keel are quite devastating and probably almost always fatal to the ship and most of its crew. I think there is more leeway for survival, though, in cases where torpedoes desigend to impact on the side of the ship or the stern are used and I think that the DPRK has far more of this type than the former. Either way, torpedoes are certainly the most lethal conventional naval weapon, regardless of what form they take, provided they are of a suitable size for use against surface ships.
 

jantxv

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Since the ship sank in relatively shallow water with apparent easy access, the South Korean and American governments will know all the specifics fairly rapidly. Even though the ship has been under water for days, specific chemical residue from all explosive sources will remain embedded in the steel for years.

Simple spectral analysis will reveal the exact explosive components. Every weapon type's specific elemental and chemical composition is like a fingerprint uniquely traceable to single weapon production lines. This spectral analysis will reveal, in the case of the mine theory; if the mine is a old mine using outdated explosive compositions; or a newer mine using elements only modern explosives contain; the "nationality" of the mine, whether North Korean, Chinese, American, etc...

If the ship exploded internally from an accident, spectral analysis would find no "foreign" chemical markers that shouldn't be present in the ship. The governments with access to this data will have a good idea about the what-dun-it & who-dun-nit. Whether this information is shared with the general public would be a political decision.
 

Obcession

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I may be sounding really noob in saying this, but could it be the result of the ship's magazine exploding? This has happened a few times in the past, but I don't recall any specific cases in the last few decades. Anybody know where the magazine storage is on Cheonan?
 

SampanViking

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This area is a close to a real James Bond situation as you are likely to find anywhere on Earth and there are so many possibilities, ranging from the plain and obvious to the more plausible conspiracy theories and beyond, that you could drive yourself mad trying to fathom them.

It is fair to say if it just a coincidental accident, it could not have picked a worse place to have one and that few Intelligence chiefs or Strategic Planners are usually prepared to accept the idea of coincidence until it is the last possible option and proved beyond any reasonable doubt.

The interesting thing for me though is the reports of ROK ships opening fire on the flock of birds. I note that nobody has said which types of weapon were used, but the implication is that they were surface to surface weapons of some sort. The fact remains that the implication is also there, that two modern warships opened fire at a target they believed to be there but could not see!

Hmmm maybe time for the Lithium pills already;)
 

AssassinsMace

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These are suppose to be pics of the ship fished out of the water.

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If it were a torpedo or mine... a ship that size... wouldn't you see more damage even if it were hit on the other side?
 

jantxv

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The pictures posted by assainsmace are actually of the, "130-ton Chamsuri patrol boat after it was sunk in an exchange of fire with the North Koreans in 2002.". However, there is talk of raising the two halves of the 1,200-ton Cheonan according to the Korea Times, story follows:

By Kim Tong-hyung
Staff Reporter

As hopes continue to fade for the missing sailors believed to be trapped in the sunken naval ship, Cheonan, military officials are preparing to raise the wreckage to investigate the cause of Friday's mysterious explosion.

However, pulling up the 1,200-ton Cheonan, split in half by the force of the explosion, appears to be a difficult task, and the past South Korean experience with these types of jobs doesn't inspire much confidence.

It took the Navy 53 days to retrieve the 130-ton Chamsuri patrol boat after it was sunk in an exchange of fire with the North Koreans in 2002.

The Cheonan's exact weight is not being revealed, with authorities citing confidentiality issues regarding the patrol vessel's weaponry and fuel capacity, but it's obvious that the military doesn't have the right tools to get the job done

According to military officials, the Navy's existing equipment is only capable of lifting ships below the 130-ton weight class out of water, and so it would take crane vessels from private companies, including shipbuilders and marine transport operators, to pull the Cheonan out.

"It's hard to tell whether a crane vessel owned by a certain company will be able to raise the Cheonan or not. We don't have the exact weight of the ship, and since the ship was split into two, there could be various discussions about the best way to pull each part up," said a shipbuilding engineer, who has a wealth of experience in designing military vessels.

"But it might take floating cranes capable of lifting 3,000-ton vessels, or at least 2,000-ton ones if the shredded wreckage will be pulled up separately, as ships are about three times heavier under water compared to when they are afloat," he said.

Currently, the country has four floating cranes above the 3,000-ton class owned by shipbuilders. Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering has two 3,000-ton cranes, while Samsung Heavy Industries has one 3,600-ton crane and another 3,000-ton one.

A Daewoo official said the company has yet to be contacted by the military over the use of its cranes, but it is willing to deploy them.

However, both of Daewoo's massive cranes are kept at its shipyard in Geoje Island, at the southeastern tip of the peninsula, and it would take at least a week for them to reach the site of the disaster in the West Sea, as the tug boats pulling the cranes can only move at a speed of four to five knots.

"It's hard to tell whether the cranes would be capable of pulling up the wreckage. We yet to know the exact weight of each part and identify the parts of the wreckage that could be molded and attached to the cranes," a Daewoo spokesman said.

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For reference, here is an ACTUAL picture of the Cheonan in happier times:
 

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bigstick61

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I may be sounding really noob in saying this, but could it be the result of the ship's magazine exploding? This has happened a few times in the past, but I don't recall any specific cases in the last few decades. Anybody know where the magazine storage is on Cheonan?

It could not have been a magazine explosion. The 3-inch magazines are designed with explosions in mind and vent as much as possible upwards; they would not cause an explosion that could rip this ship in half. Furthmore, the chances of a catastrophic magazine explosion with no warning whatsoever is so remote as to not even be worth considering in this case; even sabotage would be difficult. You also have the lack of burning and of soldiers injured in the manner common to such explosions. The ship's officers have also stated that an internal explosion was not a possibility. Finally, a video of the floating hull before it sank completely showed the spot where the breakage occured; the hull plating was dished inwards, not outwards, which implies an external and not an internal explosion.

It seems they have largely moved away from an internal explosion explanation, so they probably saw that the damage was that from an external explosion. Right now their leading theories are that this was caused by either a drifting DPRK mine left over from the Korean War or that it was the result of deliberate mining by some sort of DPRK vessel. Of course, a drifting mine probably will not result in the breakage of the ship's keel; a bottom influence mine would, but there is no way I can think of for such a mine to have been laid there without the DPRK minelaying vessel being detected. A torpedo could also do this, but no torpedoes were detected in the water before the explosion. However, that area is known for its difficulty in regards to the use of sonar, so that should not be considered to be conclusive.
 

bd popeye

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I saw the photos....

Humm?? I'd like to see the port (other) side of the ship...and the keel of the hull.
 

jantxv

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I saw the photos....

Humm?? I'd like to see the port (other) side of the ship...and the keel of the hull.

Popeye, the only pictures of the post accident/attack Cheonan are from a short video clip showing the keel barely above water at the break where it broke in two. That picture would show the "port"side of the ship. The dent in the keel is right next to the break. The last known pic/vid of the Cheonan
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