The relation between China and the neighboring country


Hendrik_2000

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Now here is one of those Philanthropist who contribute so much for education both in Singapore, Malaysia and China
He donate all his wealth and leave nothing for his children . He live a simple live and died as common man
When He built Xiamen university He choose so that it face the sea so that student know that there is big world out there and not afraid of it
Tan Kah Kee
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Tan Kah Kee
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Other names Chen Jiageng
Occupation Businessman
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  • Setting up schools in China and Southeast Asia
  • Helping to raise funds to support China in major events in the 20th century
Spouse(s) 4
Children 17
Parent(s) Tan Kee Peck (father)
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I congratulate Hendrik 2000 for initiating this thread. It is timely, as China is now an important nation globally, especially to its neighbouring countries including Singapore. Prof Tommy Koh (a well-known Diplomat & Academic) had voiced relevant comments as recorded above. My personal believe is that it is equally important for other viewpoints be raised on China, ASEAN and other countries (US/EU). Most in this blog would probably know I am a minority Singaporean "Others" (with several Asian ancestral make-ups). As an independent commentator and a recently "revived" Consultant/Seminar Leader of "International Biz & Cross-Cultural Negotiations", I always try my level best to be insightful and unbiased. I avoid trampling on "toes", and try to be as diplomatic as possible without sacrificing my Asian Values. I hope this thread will continue to provide useful comments, sans insults, bias and mind-boggling/irresponsible comments. Fake news cannot be hidden except to influence gullible believers. I look forward to read interesting views in this thread.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Thanks Advil I created this thread to introduce people of the peaceful and interlocking relation between China and her neighbor that can be harmonious and rewarding
It is relevant topic specially now where petty nationalism and intolerance is on the rise
As well I like to introduce Chinese as I know and not the object of fear or stereotype
 

advill

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This is a well known & forward looking Chinese University. Tan Kah Kee was a key figure in its establishment, & I cannot forget his name as my dear wife's name is Tan Khah Kee --- with a "h" to Kah. I hope I will be invited to do presentations on Cultures & International Biz as a guest lecturer, as I have done at Guangzhou (Sunyat Sen) and Macau Universities.

Now here is one of those Philanthropist who contribute so much for education both in Singapore, Malaysia and China
He donate all his wealth and leave nothing for his children . He live a simple live and died as common man
When He built Xiamen university He choose so that it face the sea so that student know that there is big world out there and not afraid of it
Tan Kah Kee
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Tan Kah Kee
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:Tân Kah-kiⁿ
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Other names Chen Jiageng
Occupation Businessman
Known for
  • Philanthropic work
  • Setting up schools in China and Southeast Asia
  • Helping to raise funds to support China in major events in the 20th century
Spouse(s) 4
Children 17
Parent(s) Tan Kee Peck (father)
Relatives Tan Keng Hian (younger brother)
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Tan Kah Kee
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Time to reopen the doklam thread?

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China, Bhutan Resume Border Talks a Year After Doklam Spat Involving India
17:30 24.07.2018

New Delhi (Sputnik): China and Bhutan have discussed the border issue at length during a three day trip of Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Kong Xuanyou to the Himalayan nation, according to the Chinese Foreign Ministry, which has claimed that China holds its traditional friendship with Bhutan in high regard.

"Both sides should continue to promote border talks, abide by the principles and consensus already reached, and jointly protect peace and tranquillity in the border region to create positive conditions for a final resolution," the Chinese Foreign Ministry statement cited Kong as saying.

This was the first major visit by a Chinese official to Bhutan following last year's prolonged standoff between the armies of India and China on the Doklam plateau — a disputed territory claimed by both China and Bhutan.

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China and Bhutan do not have formal diplomatic relations and China's ambassador to India, Luo Zhaohui, accompanied Kong, the ministry added.

In the past, China and Bhutan had concluded 24 rounds of talks on the boundary issues, but following the Doklam conflict, the talks came to a grinding halt.

Earlier this year, Bhutan's Prime Minister Tshering Tobgay praised his country's relation with China in his sixth and last "state of the union" speech. Parliamentary elections in Bhutan are due later this year.

Beijing proposed a land-swap deal to Bhutan in 1996, under which Thimphu would get approximately 764 square kilometers of land in the middle and western sector of the border in exchange of 100 square kilometers land in the strategically important Doklam plateau, which serves as a tri-junction of China, Bhutan and India.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Well I think NYT make a big fuss out of nothing. Sharing the same culture and blood certainly bring people closer But insinuating that China is influencing people in Singapore is a bit too far a stretch
Certainly there is pride in China progress and there is always empathy and sympathy when disaster hit China in the past. People chip in to help with money and support. Some even fight with Red Army The most famous is Marshal Yeh Chin Ying
But Singapore was never part of China. Wary of being seen as 5th column the Singapore government pursue a more independent albeit a bit pro west. but I am not sure about the people
Xi was long time Fujian official the ancestral home of so many OC. He certainly aware of the connection Via Haidian

Worries Grow in Singapore Over China’s Calls to Help ‘Motherland’

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SINGAPORE — Growing up in Singapore, Chan Kian Kuan always took pride in his Teochew heritage — the dialect, the cultural traditions and the famous steamed fish. But after visiting his ancestral village in Teochew, in Guangdong Province, China, and seeing the progress there, he became truly proud to be not just Teochew, but also Chinese.

“It’s very messy. We are Chinese, but we are Singaporean, too,” said Mr. Chan, vice president of the Teochew Poit Ip Clan Association in Singapore. “When China becomes stronger, we feel proud. China is like the big brother.”

As a young country made up mostly of immigrants, Singapore has for decades walked a fine line between encouraging citizens like Mr. Chan to connect with their cultural heritage and promoting a Singaporean national identity.

But there are growing concerns here that a rising China could tip that carefully orchestrated balance by seeking to convert existing cultural affinities among Singaporean Chinese into loyalty to the Chinese “motherland.”

Confident in its fast-growing political and economic clout, China has become increasingly assertive in its efforts to appeal to the vast Chinese diaspora to serve the country’s national interests and gain influence abroad. Already, there has been evidence of the Chinese Communist Party’s attempts to manipulate political activity among Chinese populations in countries like
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And with ethnic Chinese constituting nearly 75 percent of Singapore’s population of 5.6 million, some scholars and former diplomats worry that this island nation could be an especially tantalizing target for the Chinese government’s influence efforts.

“For us, it is an existential issue; the stakes are extremely high,” said Bilahari Kausikan, a former permanent secretary of Singapore’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and one of the most
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in the country on the subject of Chinese interference.

“China’s rise is a geopolitical fact that everyone must accept,” Mr. Kausikan said. “But it’s a very small step in my mind from cultural affinity for China to the idea of Chinese superiority. We are only 53 years old. It’s not guaranteed that every Singaporean Chinese would not be tempted either consciously or unconsciously to take that step.”

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recent remarks made by Mr. Kausikan in which he raised an alarm about what he called China’s covert “influence operations.”

“We uphold the principles of peaceful coexistence and champion global fairness and justice,” the ambassador, Hong Xiaoyong, wrote in an
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in The Straits Times, an English-language newspaper. “We oppose the big bullying the small and interference in others’ internal affairs. This is what China has said, and this is also what China has been doing.”

“China respects Singapore’s achievements in maintaining racial and religious harmony,” he added. “It has no intention of influencing Singaporeans’ sense of their national identity and will never do so.”

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Huang Jing, an American academic born in China, for what it said was his covert effort to influence Singapore’s foreign policy on behalf of an unnamed foreign government — widely believed to be China. The expulsion came amid heightened tensions between Singapore and China over territorial issues relating to the South China Sea.

Mr. Kausikan and others are also concerned about China’s subtler influence efforts in Singapore, including appeals to sentimental “flesh and blood” ties to China.

In recent years, China has stepped up people-to-people exchanges between the two countries, helping to organize conferences bringing together overseas Chinese, arranging visits for Singaporean Chinese to their ancestral villages and coordinating study abroad programs and “roots-seeking camps” for young Singaporeans.

These kinds of programs are not unique to China, of course. The camps, for example, bear some similarity to Israel’s popular Birthright program. They are often arranged and paid for in part by Chinese government agencies like the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office.

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of one such camp held this year, participating Singaporean students were promised a full itinerary of activities including lessons in Chinese calligraphy and history. At
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, in 2014, the schedule included learning the martial art of tai chi and singing Communist “red” songs.

In recent years, officials affiliated with the Communist Party’s United Front Work Department — a powerful Chinese agency responsible for winning hearts and minds abroad — have also visited Singapore with the aim of strengthening ties with the local Chinese.

“My cellphone is on 24 hours a day,” Hong Guoping, then head of the United Front in the Xiang’an district in Fujian Province,
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a group of Singaporean Chinese affiliated with that district in 2013. “My fellow countrymen can call me at any time. I’m happy to serve everyone.”

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this year that the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office would come under the purview of the United Front Work Department.

“A more generous reading is that these are people-to-people exchanges,” said Ian Chong, an associate professor of political science at the National University of Singapore, “and a more skeptical reading is that it’s an effort by China to exert soft-power influence.”

Some scholars have highlighted what they call a worrying trend that has seen China increasingly blurring the distinction between huaqiao (Chinese citizens overseas) and huaren (ethnic Chinese of all nationalities).

At an overseas Chinese work conference last year, President Xi Jinping stressed the need to bring together people of Chinese descent around the world — up to 60 million ethnic Chinese in more than 180 countries — to enjoy the “Chinese dream.”

“The realization of the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation requires the joint efforts of Chinese sons and daughters at home and abroad,” said Mr. Xi, according to
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, China’s state-run news agency.

Scholars say the focus on strengthening ties with overseas Chinese signals a major shift away from Beijing’s previous, more hands-off approach to diaspora relations.

“There is a sense that the emphasis now is on how all ethnic Chinese share a similar origin and therefore should be more sympathetic to a P.R.C. perspective,” said Professor Chong, referring to the People’s Republic of China.

In some Western countries, China has already successfully mobilized local groups like Chinese businessmen, Chinese students and Chinese-language media, using them as proxies to rally against anti-Chinese views or to whip up support for Beijing’s line on contentious issues like the Dalai Lama or Taiwan.

Frequently, the result has been a negative and often xenophobic
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. Many overseas Chinese have said they are now being unfairly subject to a cloud of suspicion simply for being associated with China.

“When you start reaching out to people on the basis of race and blood, it becomes unacceptable to other governments,” said Wang Gungwu, a former chairman of the East Asian Institute at the National University of Singapore. “On the other hand, Beijing thinks it is natural to do so. And that is where the conflict lies, however unintended the consequences may be.”
 
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Hendrik_2000

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As the only country outside China, Hong Kong and Taiwan to have a majority-Chinese population, Singapore is in a unique position.

Wary of being seen as a fifth column of China, the country under Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew went out of its way after gaining independence in 1965 to assert its sovereignty — making it a point to be the last country in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations to establish diplomatic ties with China.

At the same time, the government sought to build a Singaporean national identity based on multiracialism, equality and meritocracy. English is the country’s official working language.

But Singapore finds itself continually needing to remind officials in Beijing that it is not a Chinese country. Last year, for example, not long after China unveiled a gleaming new center to promote Chinese culture here, Singapore countered by opening a sprawling $110 million, 11-story Singapore Chinese Cultural Center in the heart of the financial district.

The message was clear: Singaporean Chinese culture is not the same as Chinese culture.

And China’s efforts to gain influence in Singapore are by no means one way. Recognizing the economic potential after China’s opening up in the 1980s, Singapore has also gone out of its way to play up its shared Chinese heritage.

In the late 1970s, for example, the government started a
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to encourage young Singaporean Chinese to learn Mandarin — China’s official language — instead of their native Chinese dialects, with an eye to facilitating greater business opportunities. Every year, the country also hosts numerous performances by Chinese entertainers, particularly during the annual Chinese New Year celebrations.

Last year, Singapore was China’s
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— a status many here proudly attribute to the country’s ability to act as a gateway between China and the West.

“You could say Singaporeans are even more proactive than the Chinese” in building ties between the two countries, said Mr. Chan of the Teochow Poit Ip Clan Association.

Not everyone is convinced that China will succeed in winning the loyalty of Singaporean Chinese, which are a large and fragmented population.

Young Singaporean Chinese as well as those who studied in the country’s former English education system, for example, often have only a vague notion of China and limited Chinese-speaking abilities. Then there is the large influx of immigrants from China in recent years, which has
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between the two countries.

“Maybe some people who go back to their ancestral village and see all the progress being made might feel their heartstrings being tugged, but at the end of the day, they would never look at it and think this is home,” said Pang Cheng Lian, the editor of the book “50 Years of the Chinese Community in Singapore.”

Then again, when it comes to strengthening its influence abroad, China has proved that it is both patient and persistent.

“They are not eager to have immediate results,” said Leo Suryadinata, a visiting senior fellow at the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute in Singapore, “because Beijing’s view is always the long-term view.”
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I think the Chinese people still needs to do some learning on how to relate to Singaporean Chinese. The Chinese people still have difficulty differentiating between ethnic Chinese and national Chinese.
 

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Time to reopen the doklam thread?

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China, Bhutan Resume Border Talks a Year After Doklam Spat Involving India
17:30 24.07.2018

New Delhi (Sputnik): China and Bhutan have discussed the border issue at length during a three day trip of Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Kong Xuanyou to the Himalayan nation, according to the Chinese Foreign Ministry, which has claimed that China holds its traditional friendship with Bhutan in high regard.

"Both sides should continue to promote border talks, abide by the principles and consensus already reached, and jointly protect peace and tranquillity in the border region to create positive conditions for a final resolution," the Chinese Foreign Ministry statement cited Kong as saying.

This was the first major visit by a Chinese official to Bhutan following last year's prolonged standoff between the armies of India and China on the Doklam plateau — a disputed territory claimed by both China and Bhutan.

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Happy to welcome and hold discussions with His Excellency Mr. Kong Xuanyou, Vice Foreign Minister of China.
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China and Bhutan do not have formal diplomatic relations and China's ambassador to India, Luo Zhaohui, accompanied Kong, the ministry added.

In the past, China and Bhutan had concluded 24 rounds of talks on the boundary issues, but following the Doklam conflict, the talks came to a grinding halt.

Earlier this year, Bhutan's Prime Minister Tshering Tobgay praised his country's relation with China in his sixth and last "state of the union" speech. Parliamentary elections in Bhutan are due later this year.

Beijing proposed a land-swap deal to Bhutan in 1996, under which Thimphu would get approximately 764 square kilometers of land in the middle and western sector of the border in exchange of 100 square kilometers land in the strategically important Doklam plateau, which serves as a tri-junction of China, Bhutan and India.
I just want a diplomatic relationship between Bhutan and China. That is the only way to prevent India annexing Bhutan like it did to Sikkim which used to be an independent sovereign state.
 
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did the Chinese bring your ten billion yet?
#19 AndrewS, Aug 24, 2017
China woos Bhutan with $10 billion in standoff with India

Beijing seen driving wedge in New Delhi-Thimphu alliance
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NEW DELHI -- Locked in a two-month border standoff with India and tiny Bhutan in the Himalayas, China is offering its little neighbor $10 billion in economic assistance to soften its stance.

Sources say that since the offer, Bhutan has toned down its allegations that China is violating its territorial claims.

The development complicates Bhutan's relations with India, which blocked Chinese troops after Bhutan, -- a long-time security ally of India's -- notified New Delhi that the troops were attempting to construct a road in a part of the Doklam Plateau claimed by both China and Bhutan.

India and China have accused each other of violating the border, with troops from both countries in a face-off since June. Winning over Bhutan would lend more credence to their claims, and it appears Beijing's overture is having the desired effect. Speaking to Indian reporters earlier this month, a Chinese diplomat said that Bhutan clearly acknowledged to Beijing that the area where Indian troops entered is not part of Bhutan.

If the claim is correct, it would signal a weakening of ties between India and Bhutan.

Although a Bhutanese government official immediately issued a denial to Indian media, New Delhi remains unconvinced. A government source told the Nikkei early this month that China's $10 billion package -- which includes a grant, low-interest loans and direct investment -- is tempting Bhutan.

When External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj met with her Bhutanese counterpart, Damcho Dorji, on Aug. 11 on the sidelines of a regional meeting, she told Dorji not to be betrayed by China, asking further that Bhutan retain its alliance with India. Dorji, however, only said that he hoped the standoff would be resolved peacefully and amicably, refraining from any comment that would provoke China.

In June, Bhutan's foreign ministry blasted China, saying that the construction work violates an agreement between the two countries.

The Chinese government-backed tabloid Global Times later ran an editorial referencing Dorji's comment and stating that Bhutan clearly wants to maintain neutral in its criticism of India.

China is wooing Bhutan in order to validate its presence in Doklam. India sent troops only after Bhutan claimed that China had started construction work in Bhutanese territory. Beijing hopes Bhutan will relinquish its claim to the disputed area, thereby obviating the need for Indian troops, which would then be violating Chinese territory.

According to Indian government sources, China and India informally agreed to simultaneously reduce troop deployments in phases, aiming for a complete withdrawal between September and October, or at least by year-end.

Both Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping need to save face, hence the simultaneous draw down. But tensions remain, with Chinese and Indian soldiers throwing stones at each other in Kashmir.

According to an Indian government source, there are about 320 Indian and 500 Chinese troops in the area, with the numbers declining. But behind them stand 12,000 Indian soldiers and a 16,000-strong Chinese contingent, raising concerns that if shooting starts, it could quickly grow into a major conflict.
AndrewS
while called out on '10b for Bhutan':
Aug 25, 2017
Nikkei articles are pretty authoratative.

It's the equivalent of the Financial Times in London, or the Wall Street Journal in New York.

I've come across some of their other articles, and they do a fairly good job.

This one below is an example. It's all factually accurate, but it doesn't capture the full extent of Ye/Hakka influence and history, nor does it go into any in-depth analysis of their motivations.

For example, Deng Xiaoping was Hakka, one-third of the early Red Army was Hakka, and that the founding myth is that they were from the Yellow Valley (the cradle of Chinese civilisation), but fled the advancing Northern barbarians. I'll do a full piece analysis and expansion on this in a separate thread.

The kingmaker clan behind Xi Jinping
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