The relation between China and the neighboring country


Lnk111229

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Exactly, I don't think it's in any countries in the region's interest to stir up SCS. And that includes China.

So all these "news" from the MSM about China's assertion, etc. Is all made up to stir trouble.

The only countries that can benefit from the stir up is USA and OZ. Although I'm not quite sure what OZ get out from this. I think they just still haven't grasp the notion that the world order has moved on, and they need to re-adjust. They really need to see which side their bread is buttered, and the quicker they realise that, the better it is for them and the region!
I agree with what you wrote. SCS situations right now is perfect balanced for all side except US. In Vietnam all the news about SCS islands is keeping the ancestors islands ( basically mean all of islands of SCS belongs to Vietnam). But who knows the truth is yeah Vietnam is actually lost some islands to Philippines, China etc but still keeping some islands. This mean you take what you can, base on how powerful are you. I don't think Vietnam can reclaim more islands if don't want to piss all other side. And the Communist Party of Vietnam clearly know this. If US want to fight with China to take China control islands then go ahead, do it yourself Vietnam will gladly watch this fight from far away with some deeply concerned.
 

Gatekeeper

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I agree with what you wrote. SCS situations right now is perfect balanced for all side except US. In Vietnam all the news about SCS islands is keeping the ancestors islands ( basically mean all of islands of SCS belongs to Vietnam). But who knows the truth is yeah Vietnam is actually lost some islands to Philippines, China etc but still keeping some islands. This mean you take what you can, base on how powerful are you. I don't think Vietnam can reclaim more islands if don't want to piss all other side. And the Communist Party of Vietnam clearly know this. If US want to fight with China to take China control islands then go ahead, do it yourself Vietnam will gladly watch this fight from far away with some deeply concerned.
Yes, agreed. Everyone in the region basically have some sort of claim through history, etc. But the claims are not enough to go to war for, which is why everyone just want to keep to the status quo!

But unfortunately, by keeping to the status quo does not suit certain countries outside the region. Which is why they are doing their upmost to stir it up!

Take the recently announced brotherly love towards Vietnam from OZ is a case in point. It was reported that the OZ prime minister support Vietnam's claim to the south China sea. The report was quite openly aim at China. Fair enough.

But here's the thing. Inconveniently, Vietnam also have overlapping claim with Phillipines, Malaysia, and others. And it wasn't that long ago, OZ pronouce their support in Philipines claim. (again with China in mind)!

BUT, its impossible to support Vietnam's claim without compromiseing Phillipines and visa versa. But by supporting both just shows you that countries outside the regions are hypocritical!
 

Gatekeeper

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Isn't this typical propaganda with witch hunt and a tinge of racism thrown in for good measures from an Australian MSM?!

"The Chisholm MP also would not say China’s actions in the South China Sea are unlawful, despite
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In what authority does this "international tribunal" have to make China's claim unlawful?! Of course, nothing was said about the court named after the country's favorite animal...... The Kangaroo court

In 2016, an international tribunal sitting in the Hague found there was no legal basis for China
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to the South China Sea and resources in the area, a ruling that Beijing reacted angrily to and has refused to abide by.

"refused to be abide by" no explanation as to why China, or indeed any country can and does reject "court rulings" from a Kangaroo court"

"Beijing reacted angrily"! Wow the Australian MSM can read emotions from a country's reaction to the international Kangaroo court!

Here's the rest of that article! It is little wonder why and how Australian's outlook on China is so poor, with MSM constantly portraiting China and anyone supporting China as the bogey man!

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supercat

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The "international tribunal" in Hague is indeed a kangaroo court. It's a private court that picked its own anti-China judges. It does not have any enforcement mechanism either.

China scores big win with Solomons switch from Taiwan
The move is a 'huge blow to Washington and Canberra'

The Solomon Islands switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing on Monday.
TAIPEI -- The decision by the Solomon Islands on Monday to switch diplomatic recognition from Taiwan to China is nothing short of a big win for Beijing. And Taipei is not the only loser.

"This move by the Solomon Islands is a huge blow to Washington and Canberra," said Amy Searight, senior adviser and director of the Center for Strategic and International Studies' Southeast Asia Program.

"For the Trump Administration, the decision by the Solomon Islands is a double whammy," Searight said. "It undercuts efforts to boost ties with the Pacific islands to balance against surging Chinese influence in the region, and it leaves Taiwan more diplomatically isolated and vulnerable at a time when the Trump administration has sought to strengthen Taipei's international position."

Closer to the Solomons, the government of Scott Morrison in Australia will now find itself with yet another China-friendly government nearby, this one located in the strategically significant waters between Papua New Guinea and Fiji. Any potential ambitions by Beijing to have a naval presence in the Solomons could one day have ramifications for Australia's Pacific access.

The Solomon Islands government's decision to abandon ties with Taiwan's government also makes for a rare piece of good news for the Chinese Communist Party's domestic audience.

With Oct. 1 marking the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China, Beijing could use more reasons to celebrate as its economy continues to slow, African swine fever pushes food prices higher and China's international image deteriorates over the unrest in Hong Kong and its repressive tactics in Xinjiang.

The thwarting of a coordinated attempt by the U.S. and Australia to persuade the Solomons to continue its now-ended 36-year relationship with Taiwan is a major diplomatic victory for Beijing over its primary global rival.


American officials have recently traveled to the Solomon Islands capital of Honiara to discourage parliamentarians there from switching allegiance, urging caution and advising them to ask for details about funding, whether they are loans or grants, Searight noted.

Meanwhile, Australia's "Step Up" policy in the Pacific has included a commitment to construct an undersea communications cable to the Solomon Islands and Papua New Guinea, in place of China's embattled state champion Huawei, which had tendered a competitive bid on the project.

Perhaps the most striking aspect of the decision by Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare's cabinet was that it appeared to ignore warnings from none other than the country's own central bank.

Prior to Monday's news breaking, the Central Bank of Solomon Islands released a report announcing it had determined the country will not be able to absorb any additional borrowing from China if it were to switch.

Highlighting the issues of debt, fiscal revenue and a likely unfavorable reaction by Washington, the report said the risks of switching recognition merited further consideration, as going into further debt with China could lead to debt distress or default. As China's development of Hambantota port in Sri Lanka and Columbo's eventual 99-year-handover of the facility to Beijing after running into debt problems suggests, an indebted Honiara may find itself giving up more to China than it initially imagined.


While the Freely Associated States of Micronesia may be the biggest strategic prize among the Pacific Island nations, the flipping of the Solomon Islands will reverberate throughout the region.

Washington and Canberra have been increasingly keen to use recognition of Taiwan's government as a way of keeping China from raising its profile in the Pacific. The Solomon Islands was the most populous of the six countries in the region that still recognized Taipei.

For these countries, which China is also seeking to woo away from Taiwan, the decision by the Solomon Islands will very likely align in their minds with the insistence by Beijing that recognizing China is indeed part of an unstoppable "great historical trend."
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AssassinsMace

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It's laughable reading articles that charge China is bribing countries that did recognize Taiwan over China to change. The only reason why these countries recognized Taiwan in the first place was because Taiwan paid them to. They're all smaller countries because that's what Taiwan could only afford. Now they can't compete with China. All they had to do was pay them more. But then maybe Taiwan doesn't have the money.
 
now I read
Taiwan is to blame for Kiribati’s decision
Source:Global Times Published: 2019/9/20 18:42:31 Last Updated: 2019/9/20 21:25:52
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The Pacific island nation of Kiribati on Friday abruptly severed "diplomatic ties" with Taiwan. It came less than a week after the Solomon Islands cut "diplomatic ties" with Taiwan. Taiwan's "diplomacy" is collapsing, and may lose all of its "allies."

Kiribati established diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China in 1980, but the Taiwan authority bought over its "diplomatic ties" in 2003. At that time, Taiwan's GDP was about one-fifth of the mainland's, and Taiwan could adopt "money diplomacy." But after more than 10 years, Taiwan's GDP is less than one-twentieth of the mainland's. Such "money diplomacy" has collapsed in Taiwan.

The Taiwan authority declared that the mainland used money to buy over Pacific nations. But these nations required no financial assistance when they switched to the mainland. Because of short-term economic interests, these nations used to maintain "diplomatic ties" with Taiwan. They are now propelled by strategic interests to establish ties with the mainland. After all, a country will seem strange if it has no diplomatic relations with the mainland.

In the globalization era, Taiwan's financial assistance has become less attractive to the smaller nations as the Chinese mainland-proposed
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Initiative expands coverage. Smaller nations need sustainable development conditions rather than temporary alms from a region which is politically suspicious in itself.

The more "allies" Taiwan loses, the smaller space there will be for Taiwan in the international community to pretend as a "country." This is a warning to Taiwan that "Taiwan independence" leads nowhere.

The Taiwan authority hopes that the US can stop these "allies" from cutting off ties with it. Washington did threaten these nations and demanded that they maintain the status quo with Taiwan. The US threats could exert some pressure, but failed to work for the Solomon Islands and Kiribati.

All countries would evaluate multiple factors in their consideration of diplomacy, and their national interest is the starting point of such an evaluation. Is it more important to develop normal relations with a permanent member of the UN Security Council which has a population of 1.4 billion, or is it wiser to maintain "diplomatic relations" with a region of 20 million people not recognized as a country by the international community? Isn't the answer obvious?

The Taiwan authority accused the Solomon Islands and Kiribati of falling into the mainland's "money trap." Taiwan authorities are humiliating themselves as this shows money-relations are the only thing they know.

The Taiwan authority also declared that every time Taiwan loses an "ally," it is the result of the mainland trying to interfere in Taiwan's regional leadership elections. In fact, all that the Tsai Ing-wen authority considers is the 2020
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s. A re-election is Tsai's priority. Tsai would welcome a situation of Taiwan losing all its "allies" as long as it benefits the Democratic Progressive Party's re-election.

The mainland will maintain long-term development and further strengthen its power. The result of the Taiwan elections is uncontrollable, but the mainland is firmly in control of the consequences and influence of Taiwan elections.
 

Gatekeeper

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It's laughable reading articles that charge China is bribing countries that did recognize Taiwan over China to change. The only reason why these countries recognized Taiwan in the first place was because Taiwan paid them to. They're all smaller countries because that's what Taiwan could only afford. Now they can't compete with China. All they had to do was pay them more. But then maybe Taiwan doesn't have the money.

Exactly, Taiwan pays them. I've even seen a poster on a building site in one of these poorer nations stating built with aids from Taiwan!

Of course, now they are switching, the MSM have charged China with "Cheque book diplomacy" ! Lol

Actually, China doesn't have to do anything. As kissenger said, "they are no friends in international relations, just self interest! "

And it is and will be all nations self interest to have diplomatic relationship with the largest economy (PPP) of the world! Even the Vatican is caughting to China
 

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