I doubt India will, their too nationalist to care as long as they lie and say none were shot down, the people will believe it
The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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The hit rate was roughly 12–15%. What many seem to overlook is the strategic role of cyber and electronic warfare, which was noted by the PAF spokesperson during the operation. He credited these capabilities with blinding or rerouting many of the incoming missiles not just relying on kinetic interception. This suggests that electronic countermeasures played a significant role, potentially even more than traditional surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems.
However, Pakistan’s decision to procure more Chinese SAM systems highlights a key issue: while the systems in place were effective, their numbers were limited. So, while the overall outcome seems successful, it’s more accurate to say that the defense network was under strain and now requires scaling up.
Bottom line: Pakistan’s air defense, especially its cyber and electronic warfare components was effective in many instances, including neutralizing high-end platforms like the Rafale. But the post-operation procurement points to coverage gaps and a clear push to strengthen and expand existing capabilities.
By cyber warfare, are you implying that Pakistan successfully penetrated and compromised Indian and/or non-Indian systems responsible for or otherwise contributing to Indian missile guidance?
Are classified Indian defense networks not physically air gapped from the greater interwebs?!
Not necessarily implying deep penetration or breach of Indian classified networks.
What the PAF spokesperson alluded to during the operation days was the use of cyber and electronic warfare in a broader sense including jamming, spoofing, signal disruption, and decoy tactics, rather than outright hacking into missile guidance systems or breaking into air-gapped networks.
Modern missile systems, even when not networked in real-time, rely heavily on GPS, satellite links, inertial navigation, and mid-course updates many of which are vulnerable to electronic countermeasures and EW techniques. In fact, there’s video evidence of at least one BrahMos missile veering off course likely the result of spoofing or signal degradation.
So no, this isn’t about cyberwarfare in the Hollywood “hack into their systems” sense. It’s more about localized disruption and misdirection, which doesn't require breaching secure Indian networks but rather outmaneuvering them in the electromagnetic spectrum, something PAF claims to have achieved successfully in select zones.
The fact that many missiles either missed, struck unintended targets, or failed to guide correctly supports the notion that non-kinetic defenses not just SAMs had a real impact.
PAF spox said that they have done a good amount of 'soft kills' on the indian cruise missiles which made them veer off target, they were some videos of this too
I meant Pakistan's side, plug the gaps or vulnerabilities. Heh
That's fair.
Congratulations to the PAF for its achievements against Indian bullying! However, none of that sounds like cyber warfare, but rather electronic warfare.
Though what do I know . . .
Cyber warfare doesn't always translate to rooting a device with a 0click 0day, but did you guys even (D)DoS Indian military targets through the interwebs?!
Fair point and yes, in a strict technical sense, most of the missile disruptions fall under electronic warfare (EW) rather than classic cyber operations like DDoS or zero-day exploits.
However, the term cyber warfare was used in a broader operational sense, as reflected in statements made during and after the operation. The PAF spokesperson referenced non-kinetic disruptions, and several retired senior Air Force personnel in public forums and vlogs have gone further claiming that Pakistan did achieve cyber penetration, including limited access to civilian infrastructure like railway networks.
While such claims aren’t officially confirmed or detailed in open sources, they do support the view that Pakistan employed a mix of EW and cyber-based tactics, potentially across both military and civilian systems to create confusion and misdirection during the engagement window.
So, while not “cyber warfare” in the classic Hollywood-hack sense, there’s credible reason to believe cyber effects did play a supporting role alongside electronic warfare in degrading Indian missile effectiveness.
An Indian poster shared a tweet summarizing the key points from former Air Chief Marshal Sohail’s speech. However, what’s truly astonishing is the response in the comments section. A large number of Indians appear completely uninformed or misled, either unaware of the geopolitical and military realities or trapped in a bubble of nationalistic narratives.
Their refusal to acknowledge or even consider alternative perspectives makes it seem like they’re living in an entirely different world, detached from facts.
Such delusion compelled me to share this here....
"Points made by Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman, former Chief of Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force (PAF), during a discussion on the India-Pakistan war fought between May 7 and May 10 (Before coming for the discussion, ACM Sohail Aman had interacted with senior PAF officials at Air HQ):
1. Air power is important because it enables the achievement of political objectives quickly and precisely, day or night, due to its reach.
2. Air power is no longer just a supporting arm to land forces but can also act independently to achieve strategic goals.
3. PAF was ready to turn the tables on Indian Air Force (IAF) despite being three times smaller.
4. PAF pilots trained hard to the extent that when it came to actual combat on May 7, they found their training was tougher than combating IAF. “Training gave us tougher time than the Indians.”
5. Where Indians fell short: a) They lacked awareness of how future wars will be fought. “They are at least 10 years behind if not more in this matter.” b) Unlike PAF, IAF assets aren’t linked to each other. c) They don’t train as well as PAF. d) Rafale was not used to its full potential.
6. IAF put up a good fight initially but everything unravelled quickly thereafter. Rafale pilots were supposed to get the whole battlespace picture right in front of them on their displays but PAF electronic warfare broke the datalink between the Rafales, disrupted communication and flow of information. This resulted in Rafale pilots not knowing where the rest of them were or contact each other or anyone on the ground.
7. PAF knew the exact position of every IAF aircraft in the air. This gave PAF an edge over IAF.
8. When Pakistan responded to the May 7 attack by India by launching their own attack IAF was missing in action. IAF was nowhere to be seen. (Even Chief of Defense Staff, Indian Defense Forces, admitted that after suffering losses on night of May 6-7 IAF grounded their aircraft for two days to rework tactics).
9. Pakistan armed forces attacked 34 bases of Indian armed forces.
10. Pakistan developed their own electronic and cyber warfare capabilities without any outside help. Link 17, which enables secure jam-resistant data and voice exchange between friendly aircraft, was developed inhouse.
11. For political objective to be achieved you need to have the right military strategy. The communication between Indian political elite and their military has been dismal, poor and because of this they haven’t been able to carry out the tasks assigned to them. IAF CoAS has admitted they need to have better communication.
12. Indians have learned the hard lesson that crossing border and attacking a neighboring country has enormous costs and it can backfire.
13. When Rafale pilots returned from their mission, they found the runway lights were switched off because the decision loop was interrupted and the HQ couldn’t communicate with the field units because of cyber-attack/jamming, and no one on the ground knew they were coming into land. After landing, when the pilots tried to call their parents, they found their mobile phones were jammed due to a cyber-attack.
14. Prepare for the next war, which will be different from the one just fought."
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Yeah all this is excerpts from that video a few pages back, this is weeks old by this point.
Ya dear, I’m actually the one who posted that vlog earlier.
What I’m referring to now is based on the same ex-ACM’s vlog, but this time an Indian poster tweeted a summary with key highlights.
It seems you missed the core notion of above post; it’s not just about the content of the video, but about the mindset reflected in those reactions, which is what really pushed me to bring it up again