The Kashmir conflict 2025.

enroger

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We don't know anything about aerial picture yet, too early to guess.

Significant one-sided losses usually point more towards successful ambush, not high altitude, high speed throws

The long range nature of this fight does implies high altitude, high speed throws though. Either Indian's situation awareness is so bad that they don't even know they're being locked or all their defensive measures failed
 

Observer1

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If the shotdowns turn out to be true, specially if carried out by chinese fighters, the loss of face by India should be enough that Pakistan doesn't need to escalate any further.
India attacked several *civillian* targets in Pakistan, including a religious site, which it unilaterally designated as "terrorist camps", it targeted a hydro-electric dam project, and killed several civillians including children, in several Pakistani cities.

Beyond the success in the air, it makes complete sense that Pakistan will have to respond by striking ground targets inside India to fully establish a deterrence. The above can't be simply let go.
 

ohan_qwe

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Yes but this was non LO vs non LO, 60/40m fighters vs 250m plane
Price is not comparable as deals include different stuff like maintenance, training, etc.
No one would buy Rafael for 250m off the shelf and I'm pretty sure France don't pay that much for it.

125M is the result after a quick google. Still impressive that it's more expensive than F35.

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Gloire_bb

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The long range nature of this fight does implies high altitude, high speed throws though. Either Indian's situation awareness is so bad that they don't even know they're being locked or all their defensive measures failed
That's the point.
You have to be really blind to miss planes doing those launch maneuvers - planes don't appear at M=1.5 out of thin blue.

Given high altitude nature of the theater, I personally incline towards ambush using favorable geography, and, likely, sufficient warning on the strike.
 

sheogorath

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That's the point.
You have to be really blind to miss planes doing those launch maneuvers - planes don't appear at M=1.5 out of thin blue.

Given high altitude nature of the theater, I personally incline towards ambush using favorable geography, and, likely, sufficient warning on the strike.

Makes me wonder if the Indians attempted to use their A-50I's at all or were too risk averse for that, hence the result.
 

enroger

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That's the point.
You have to be really blind to miss planes doing those launch maneuvers - planes don't appear at M=1.5 out of thin blue.

Given high altitude nature of the theater, I personally incline towards ambush using favorable geography, and, likely, sufficient warning on the strike.

Your theory would only makes sense if PAF planes went beyond the border and ambush IAF at short range with minimal warning. I really doubt this is the case.

Edit: Also terrain in Kashmir does make such tactic possible, but southern Punjab border is pretty flat
 
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