The Kashmir conflict 2025.

Equation

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Not true at all. India and Pakistan has complete technology parity when it comes to military. The only difference is numbers. And even in numbers India pretty much has double the personnel, tanks and other ground force items. Considering the fact that India had 9 times the gdp of Pakistan, this is not that much of a difference.

In air force India of course has more planes but Pakistanis planes are more modern, smaller and more manuverable for the most part.

The big difference is mainly naval power, which is understandable since Pakistan's main threat is from ground and air. Pakistan can take out Indian ships with A2/AD missiles.

We also need to keep in mind that India has to keep atleast 50% of its forces and air force towards China. So, Pakistan will likely face equal numbers. I think this will be a stalemate.
Pakistan intelligence services (ISI) is a bit better than Indian (RAW). They still have not a single traitor or double agent since its creation. ISI are good, but they don't have the numbers as compare to all the other intelligent services.
 

AndrewJ

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Going slightly of topic here but this is why I don't think China has got what it takes to lead the world in a potential post-US era. Can it achieve military and economic superiority? Sure. Can it use them to yield geo-political and cultural power? No.

It can't save its supposedly closest ally from self-destructive behavior while being the largest or 2nd largest economy in the world.

Seems Palki knows more than everyone else in this thread. :p

Palki: China wants India help with its trade war with US. So China won't help Pak too much in the imminent war with India. :rolleyes:

Oh, Palki...

 
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enroger

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Ukraine war is dominated by drones and artillery, if Pakistan India war flares up China can easily supply Pakistan with orders of magnitude more drones then whatever Ukraine got from the west.

Make no mistake, as distained the current Pakistani regime is China will not let them fall to India, period.

Therefore Pakistan absolutely has the material condition to hold their own in a fight. The problem is whether Pakistan military is up to the task in terms of doctrine and training
 

plawolf

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Normally I would say India can’t be stupid enough to start a war it cannot possibly win, but Ukraine and Trump are proving that just because something is stupid doesn’t mean it won’t happen these days.

I think Pakistan will have relatively confident in its ability to repulse any Indian aggression.

The key to any clash will be air power, and Pakistan enjoys significant on paper and off-book advantages compared to India.

Pakistan has invested more than India in AWACS assets, which will massively swing the odds in favour of the PAF. Many of those AWACS are directly compatible with PLAAF datalinks. Which opens up all sorts of possibilities for Ukraine style kill chain support by PLAAF recon and surveillance assets.

The recent disclosure that the JF17 is PL15 compatible is a major game changer in itself, but more important is the logistics implications.

India purchased 250 Meteors, which sounds like a lot, but really means less than 7 missiles per plane for its 36 Rafale fleet. That’s basically enough missiles for one combat sortie for each plane. Let that sink in on what it means in a real war scenario.

The PAF OTOH, can have functionally unlimited PL15 reloads as China can send them PLAAF inventory rounds as an emergency measure if needed. Will France do that for India?

The fact that Pakistan has inducted J10Cs also opens up the option of PLAAF J10Cs fighting directly in the war if needed under PAF colours.

With the kind of full spectrum support China can and will offer Pakistan, it basically cannot lose against India in the air. And if the PAF controls the skies, the Indian Army cannot do much on the ground without risking getting absolutely wrecked by air strikes.

Ukraine style drone wars doesn’t even need to come into it, as that’s only really relevant if you are bogged down in close range entrenched attritional warfare. But is also a viable option if India does go totally nuts and tries to overwhelm PAF air strikes with sheer numbers. But TBH, I think mines and artillery will be far more effective at stopping the Indians in their tracks if they try any large scale ground invasion. And again, logistics will be key here, and where Pakistan has an unassailable edge with Chinese support.

So long as Pakistan doesn’t fold like a house of cards upon initial contact, and there is zero indication that they will, the kind of support they can expect to get from China will mean they basically can’t loose the war.
 

Xiongmao

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The Art of Doing Nothing......

Friends to all enemy to none, a standard diplomacy followed by a mature and cultured nation even though they themselves had been victim of terrorist attack inside Pakistan. It maybe infuriating for us Chinese chauvinist BUT not interfering is giving respect to Pakistan who is also a victim. Why widen the wound of your friend in times of needs by intervening in their domestic affair? You only encourage more mayhem and uncertainty which is a trap set up by the US, being different is what set us apart from the collective west and is our major Trump Card to show to the global majority that there is an alternative.
yeah that's right, what China has basically done since forever is to pour all resources into making China as wealthy as possible and put up some high fucking walls to keep out the rest. I concur with this strategy.
 

ansy1968

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yeah that's right, what China has basically done since forever is to pour all resources into making China as wealthy as possible and put up some high fucking walls to keep out the rest. I concur with this strategy.
Thank you my friend, I'm a Hua Qiao from the Philippines and I'm glad that a mature and civilized leader is ruling the PROC, if the CPC followed the US in the way they run their foreign policy and geopolitics, then you will see me boarding a boat to Cambodia as a refugee and be employed by @SteelBird.
 
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SteelBird

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Thank you my friend, I'm a Hua Qiao from the Philippines and I'm glad that a mature and civilized leader is ruling the PROC, if the CPC followed the US in the way they run their foreign policy and geopolitics, then you will see me boarding a boat to Cambodia as a refugee and be employed by @SteelBird.
I hope I would greet you at an airport rather a seaport.

I read some news that Pakistan intelligence warns that India may attack within 2 - 3 days. Peace to the region, peace to the world!!!
 

zyklon

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Going slightly of topic here but this is why I don't think China has got what it takes to lead the world in a potential post-US era.

You're not veering or going "slightly of [sic] topic" here, you're trying to bait people and stir up shit.

Be honest now! :cool:

Can it achieve military and economic superiority? Sure. Can it use them to yield geo-political and cultural power? No.

A lot of nationalistic Indian keyboard warriors like to disparage China, as you do, so they may feel better about their own country and by extension themselves.

You can say denigrating China is how they cope with their nation's inferiority.

I hope you're not offended by the comparison.

It can't save its supposedly closest ally from self-destructive behavior while being the largest or 2nd largest economy in the world.

I see you are kind of trying to get back on topic by referencing Pakistan, but struggling.

Please try harder, but preferably without disparaging Pakistan, unless denigrating a developing country with a nominal per capita GDP of ~$1,600 is what is necessary for you to feel better about your own country.
 
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