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Tomboy

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you seriously need to read more about China's anti-missile systems.. China have multi-layers air defense system and probably have highest density in the world.. further more HQ-9 doesn't even come in top 3 of China's top of the line systems.
But on a side note, it does seem that HQ-9B/C is still China's premier long range air defense against aircrafts since all the successor systems like HQ-19 and HQ-29 are all various types of terminal/mid stage ABM systems and don't seem to be able to engage aircrafts due to their special warhead meant for exo-atmospheric operation. Other systems like HQ-26(Not sure if this designation even exists but it supposedly is a HHQ-9B replacement for naval vessels and seems to be naval only according to the Chinese wikipedia), HQ-22, HQ-16, HQ-17A etc are all short or medium range anti air defenses or long range but seems to be naval only in the case of HQ-26. Is there a certain HQ-9B/C replacement in the works?
 

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New Article by Bloomberg

The success of Chinese jets used against India in the recent conflict with Pakistan is raising alarm in Asia about their air combat capabilities


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Chinese weapons exports have been plagued for years by defects, specialists have said, adding that the seemingly inexpensive systems can drain security budgets due to maintenance expenses.

"China attracts customers for its military equipment with cut-rate pricing and financing but there are hidden costs — especially when gear malfunctions," Cindy Zheng, then a researcher at Rand Corp., wrote in a research paper just before joining the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission in the latter stages of the Biden administration.

In 2022, Myanmar had to reportedly ground its fleet of Chinese fighter jets due to structural cracks and other technical issues. Bangladesh lodged complaints with Beijing about the quality of its military hardware last year. Even the Pakistan Navy has been facing issues with its F-22P frigates, forcing them to operate the vessels with significantly degraded capabilities.
 

tamsen_ikard

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you seriously need to read more about China's anti-missile systems.. China have multi-layers air defense system and probably have highest density in the world.. further more HQ-9 doesn't even come in top 3 of China's top of the line SAM.

PLA SAM thread is waiting for you.
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Pakistan doesn't have enough batteries so saturation attacks will work. they only have two HQ-9 systems.. only two


Actually, China also has a lot of gaps in air defense density. According to IISS numbers, PLAAF only has about 150 HQ-9B launchers and about 130 HQ-22 launchers. HQ-22 is a much cheaper and less capable system with passive radar missiles.

Compared to that Russia has 1000+ s-300/s-400 systems. US has 900+ patriots.

China is very weak in air defense especially in terms of numbers. It's a myth that it has the best AD
 

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Tomboy

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Actually, China also has a lot of gaps in air defense density. According to IISS numbers, PLAAF only has about 150 HQ-9B launchers and about 130 HQ-22 launchers. HQ-22 is a much cheaper and less capable system with passive radar missiles.

Compared to that Russia has 1000+ s-300/s-400 systems. US has 900+ patriots.

China is very weak in air defense especially in terms of numbers. It's a myth that it has the best AD
Yeah, uh those numbers are basically made up. China does not publicize defense spending and thus no one knows how many batteries they buy. Best you can do in this case other than having active spies very high up in the CMC is track movements via satellite pictures and we all know how reliable that method is when it comes to counting how many systems someone has. IISS numbers are at best unreliable and at worse completely made up.
 

Neurosmith

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Actually, China also has a lot of gaps in air defense density. According to IISS numbers, PLAAF only has about 150 HQ-9B launchers and about 130 HQ-22 launchers. HQ-22 is a much cheaper and less capable system with passive radar missiles.

Compared to that Russia has 1000+ s-300/s-400 systems. US has 900+ patriots.

China is very weak in air defense especially in terms of numbers. It's a myth that it has the best AD
A significant portion of their air defense capability is sea-based.

For the US, about 500 Patriot launchers are in service.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Yeah, uh those numbers are basically made up. China does not publicize defense spending and thus no one knows how many batteries they buy. Best you can do in this case other than having active spies very high up in the CMC is track movements via satellite pictures and we all know how reliable that method is when it comes to counting how many systems someone has. IISS numbers are at best unreliable and at worse completely made up.
If everything is secret then there is no point discussing anything, cause we have no basis of knowing.

China most certainly has public numbers for defense spending. Yes, it maybe understated but that's why have estimates from SIPRI which estimates China's military budget at 314 billion, less than 1.5% of GDP.

IISS likely uses number of active brigades and satellite imagery to count the numbers in service. It's pretty much the best source of military numbers we have.

China may have made a lot of strides in terms military tech. But they are severely behind in numbers compared to US on many many categories such as fighter jets, destroyer count, submarine count, carrier count, extremely low numbers of helicopters in service. There is a lot of gaps.
 

sunnymaxi

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Actually, China also has a lot of gaps in air defense density. According to IISS numbers, PLAAF only has about 150 HQ-9B launchers and about 130 HQ-22 launchers. HQ-22 is a much cheaper and less capable system with passive radar missiles.

Compared to that Russia has 1000+ s-300/s-400 systems. US has 900+ patriots.

China is very weak in air defense especially in terms of numbers. It's a myth that it has the best AD
how many times do we need to tell you, please stop reading these nonsense unreliable reports. these clowns really have no idea.

China have way way more than 150 HQ-9B launchers and they also fielded C variant long back..

and you completely forgot other Chinese SAM systems.

HQ-22 - 4 tube
HQ-26 - 8 tube
HQ-19 (~ THAAD equivalent) - 6 tube
HQ-29 (~S-500/PL-19 Nudol) - 2 tube
PC-19/DN-3

The most comprehensive report on PLA SAM systems. please watch this.

as per his calculation..

Russia - 710 launchers
China - 670 launchers
USA - 480 Launchers


thanks @sequ
 
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sequ

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how many times do we need to tell you, please stop reading these nonsense unreliable reports. these clowns really have no idea.

China have way way more than 150 HQ-9B launchers and they also fielded C variant long back..

and you completely forgot other Chinese SAM systems.

HQ-22 - 4 tube
HQ-26 - 8 tube
HQ-19 (~ THAAD equivalent) - 6 tube
HQ-29 (~S-500/PL-19 Nudol) - 2 tube
PC-19/DN-3

@tamsen_ikard you're wrong
 
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