The Kashmir conflict 2025.

siegecrossbow

siegecrossbow

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bustead said:
Apart from visually confirmed losses, is it possible for IAF aircraft to be damaged but not shot down by PL-15s?
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Depends on how big the payload on PL-15 is I guess, and how sturdy the enemy aircraft is. I think there are instances of F-15 taking hits from Bisnovat during the Gulf War and still limping to base. Don’t know if MKI or Rafale are as reliably built. One thing I do know is that J-20 is designed with multiple redundant systems so that it could travel vast West Pacific distance in the event that it gets hit.
 
FriedRiceNSpice

FriedRiceNSpice

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Rafi said:
Please don’t be so heartless, we are Pakistani we are a warrior people, we don’t want war, but if war is imposed on us then we will fight and give a good account, but many young men (and women) will have to die, including civilians, this is not a joke.
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Did you quote the wrong post by accident?? Is it heartless to point out India completely lacks the prerequisites to develop a competetive manufacturing sector?
 
zyklon

zyklon

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enroger said:
I wonder if the integration works allowed Eyrie Eye to guide the PL-15E's via datalink. Some wild conjectures:

1, Indian pilots assumed they were in safe distance given their experience with amraam yet unaware of PL-15E capabilities.

2, PL-15E's were guided by datalink and no fire control lock, Indian pilots were oblivious until missile went pitbull. If they had awac support their awac should be able to warn them of approaching missiles, but then it is possible awacs were under EW suppression.

3, It is possible both J-10CE radar and PL-15E seeker are using some sort of LPI mode that the French avionic suit were not able to pick up on.

Whatever the real scenarios were this event is a treasure trove for both Chinese and western intelligence. I won't worry about it leaking Chinese capabilities too much though as things changes so fast in the electronics front whatever intel gathered would be obsolete in the next conflict
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A couple of simpler, less technical scenarios on how Operation Sindoor may have "came to be."

1. India mistook Pakistani restraint for weakness, and wrongly assumed that the PAF wouldn't dare open fire so long as IAF aircraft launching ground strike weapons in the direction of Pakistan remained in Indian airspace, especially if at a certain minimal distance from the border.

They might have also assumed that in any case, Pakistan would struggle to detect the air to ground launches, and the IAF would be too far gone by the time the PAF got its act together.

Not sure if Indian political and/or military leadership would be this overconfident, if not reckless; but it's plausible, especially if they were misadvised on PAF ROE and/or persuaded by disinformation.

2. The PAF achieved significantly better situational awareness than what the IAF anticipated was plausible, and were able to engage IAF fighters before they were able to finish launching ground strike weapons at targets inside Pakistan.

Such a scenario would also explain why India claimed to have struck nine targets during Operation Sindoor, but only six locations were attacked according to the Pakistani government.
 
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