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Article with US official claims of two kills to J-10CE against India.
 

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A summary of what we have seen so far:

Akhnoor (Indian Kashmir) - less than 8 km from the border
Fighter: Unknown
Evidence: Footage of an aircraft on fire recorded by Reuters

Ramban (Indian Kashmir) - more than 80 km from the border
Fighter: likely Su-30MKI or MiG-29
Evidence: Footage of a K-36DM injection seat from a Su-30MKI or MiG-29

Pampore (Indian Kashmir) - 60 km from the border
Fighter: very likely Mirage
Evidence: 19-minute footage of the aircraft showing the nose of the aircraft beyond the engine

Bathinda (Punjab) - more than 90 km from the border
Fighter: an Indian Rafale
Evidence: Photos of the aircraft's pylon with a MICA, the image of the M88 engine and a third piece of evidence being the Rafale's vertical stabilizer recorded by images

Another piece of evidence is:
Hoshiarpur (Punjab) - more than 90 km from the border
Object: Found wreckage of PL-15E

And:
The drone that was shot down in Pakistan.

Did I forget something?
Interesting that the wreckage of the Rafale was found in Bathinda (Indian Punjab), but wreckage of the PL-15 was found in Hoshiarpur (Indian Punjab).

The distance between those two is roughly 170KM. And all other wreckage were found up north in the Jammu & Kashmir state.

Could that indicate a second Rafale (or another aircraft) was targeted near Hoshiarpur or is it likely from the same incident leading to the Bathinda crash?
 

Sinnavuuty

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Interesting that the wreckage of the Rafale was found in Bathinda (Indian Punjab), but wreckage of the PL-15 was found in Hoshiarpur (Indian Punjab).

The distance between those two is roughly 170KM. And all other wreckage were found up north in the Jammu & Kashmir state.

Could that indicate a second Rafale (or another aircraft) was targeted near Hoshiarpur or is it likely from the same incident leading to the Bathinda crash?
That was my conclusion too. Some aircraft must have been in Hoshiarpur, perhaps the Rafale itself. I very much doubt that it is the same Rafale encounter in Bathinda. The interesting thing is that nothing has come out of Hoshiarpur, no information about an aircraft crash, but something must have clearly happened there.
 

Randomuser

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Wow so confirmed J-10C took down two. Maybe air defense or friendly fire hit another?

remember when India used some US fake news site as evidence of them killing 50 PLA soldiers at Galwan? Surely they’ll accept this assessment then
US news and world report. The one that makes the Uni rankings. That was the one talking about the inflated death in galwan.

Here's the thing. Only that site mentioned it. No other side like New York times or Bloomberg confirmed it. Also say say intelligence official believe. What if those intelligence officials just asked Indian officials like TASS did?

That alone makes it suspicious. Right now in this case if we get cnn, Reuters,.Bloomberg etc all confirming the same thing there's more credibility
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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There are absolutely no local photos or videos. To be honest, I am a little skeptical. Do Pakistani civilians have that strict discipline? We can still find video of the crash from last month.

And only a former IAF Air Marshal released this video?

Every time I see some former Jai Hind military personnel/officer's Twitter profiles with the "Retd" word in it, somehow I often tend to see that as referring to "Retarded" instead of "Retired".

Thanks for proving my point, dear Anil Chopra.
 
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Tomboy

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Interesting that the wreckage of the Rafale was found in Bathinda (Indian Punjab), but wreckage of the PL-15 was found in Hoshiarpur (Indian Punjab).

The distance between those two is roughly 170KM. And all other wreckage were found up north in the Jammu & Kashmir state.

Could that indicate a second Rafale (or another aircraft) was targeted near Hoshiarpur or is it likely from the same incident leading to the Bathinda crash?
The PL-15Es found seems very much intact at the time of impact especially if the seeker head(Right in front of the warhead) is still intact, those PL-15Es were likely fired at targets deep inside Indian borders but missed their target due to their launch aircraft going cold.
 
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