The Civil War in Libya

Finn McCool said:

I think the situations are quite different, considering Libya's much smaller population and the lack of a foreign occupation force and a lot of other things.

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Not at all. You can sit on the largest reserves of oil on Earth, but if your society is in shambles, the only thing your natural resources will do is make some corrupt politicians and foreign corporations very wealthy and happy.

Afghanistan isn't in the hole because it has no oil. It's in the hole because they're mired in a civil war. And Iraq is in the same hole as Afghanistan, oil or no oil.

solarz said:

Not at all. You can sit on the largest reserves of oil on Earth, but if your society is in shambles, the only thing your natural resources will do is make some corrupt politicians and foreign corporations very wealthy and happy.

Afghanistan isn't in the hole because it has no oil. It's in the hole because they're mired in a civil war. And Iraq is in the same hole as Afghanistan, oil or no oil.

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Some societies disappear into the "conflict trap" and follow the path that you indicated. Some societies bounce back stronger than before. If Libya enters a new round of civil war, then yes, I think it will suffer the fate that you describe. But I don't think it will. You'll probably call BS on a lot of what I say, but having followed these events very, very closely, and having talked to a lot of Libyans and foreigners in Libya, I think that the civil war has hardened nationalist sentiments and a commitment to democracy. They don't want to see their country sold to foreigners or hijacked by a new dictator and they simply won't allow it. And they don't want to see war return. When I look at Libya as a whole, I tentatively think that it is a country which can advance out of conflict positively rather than falling back in. I suppose that's because I see the Arab Spring as a whole, as the true birth of real national identities in the Middle East.

no_name said:

The real test will be after they defeated Gaddafi and tries to govern Libya properly. This is not even the beginning of the end.

Wouldn't want libya to turn into another somalia.

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Think they are still struggling with the end of the beginning.

Gaddafi appears very charismatic.

I mean whenever I watch him on TV I can't help but to feel a little bit on his side. =\
Does anybody feel this way ?

legoboy said:

Gaddafi appears very charismatic.

I mean whenever I watch him on TV I can't help but to feel a little bit on his side. =\
Does anybody feel this way ?

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Not really.

legoboy said:

Gaddafi appears very charismatic.

I mean whenever I watch him on TV I can't help but to feel a little bit on his side. =\
Does anybody feel this way ?

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Mostly those who strike out a plot of land for themselves and hold out for that long have at least a certain degree of charisma, if not at least being a good stage animal...then, there's a thing about playing with angles of TV cameras, some editing here and there...

Typical biased reporting.



Note how the reporter is going out of his way to excuse what should be considered war crimes (looting, deliberate arson and indiscriminate shelling in an urban area), without a single word of condemnation and tries his best to make it feel as it the people suffering somehow deserve it. Hell, it's hard not to read glee into his commentary.

Seriously, I have seen propaganda pieces that are more well balanced.

Do these journo-hack tools know what the hell they are doing? All but cheering the rebels on to commit war crimes and make post-war reconciliation much harder and actually turn this into a full-blown tribal civil war.

plawolf said:

Typical biased reporting.

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Note how the reporter is going out of his way to excuse what should be considered war crimes (looting, deliberate arson and indiscriminate shelling in an urban area), without a single word of condemnation and tries his best to make it feel as it the people suffering somehow deserve it. Hell, it's hard not to read glee into his commentary.

Seriously, I have seen propaganda pieces that are more well balanced.

Do these journo-hack tools know what the hell they are doing? All but cheering the rebels on to commit war crimes and make post-war reconciliation much harder and actually turn this into a full-blown tribal civil war.

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Wow, what a disgusting piece of trash. The fact that the BBC put this article on their site shows just how hollow and hypocritical their "concerns" for "the welfare of the innocent civilians of Libya" were.

There is an old British saw:
You cannot bribe a British journalist but seeing what the scoundrels do without being bribed there is really no opportunity to.

@FinMccool

The majority usually dont have a say. Its usually a small group of idealists that tend to get their way.

BTW, reports of western companies tagging alongside politicians are getting their slice of the pie in Libya. Liam Fox has been caught but hes not the only one involved in shady practises.

Tell me how many different armed factions are there. I count atleast a dozen. Eventually Al Qeada, will try to muscle in. The country has no real intelligence capability, all the militias have different goals and very poorly trained. The politicians of NTC are not really trusted apart from a few like Jalil. Countries with stronger instituations like in Pakistan, India and Algeria had semi decent intelligence and military took years of hard fighting then they got some success against their respective insurgents.

Western media will always portray the opposite because they have a bias towards to the rebels.