The Chinese Special Force Basic Training And Its Effectiveness?

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positive experiences eh? do you know what its like to be in the field?
you get cooked during the day and freeze at night, its like sahara and the arctic in one friggin place. you are constantly digging trenches, on grounds that are as hard as clay. 1 foot down and you are already hitting rocks. you get a million mosquito bites, these things are huge and can actually bite through your combat pants, they are also immune to bug repellant. once in a while you get sent out on a patrol, if its at night then you prolly have to walk through bushes that were prolly not meant to be walked through. other than that you are either on alert or diggin trenches. with absolutely no sleep you'll start halucinating on the third day. by the last day my buddies looked like zombies, that's prolly what i looked like to...nonetheless we have to walk back to where we came from, with 70lb on each person's back, going on a 15km march. remember this was the hottest month of the year, hottest day of the month, hottest time of the day. the blisters on my feet covered the entire heel, along with other stress-related injuries. i couldnt walk for days afterwards. and when we finally got sometime off, we heard ppl on tv complaining about how hot it has been for the past few days.

now THAT'S what army really feels like...partially. a lot of ppl like to sit in front of the computer and talk like what its all about. (like me) but really these ppl dont know anything until they actually experience this stuff.

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This is getting pretty OT, can the Korean war related posts be moved to the Korean war thread?

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By positive experiences pla101, I was thinking more along the lines of how some NATO armies may be considered superior to the U.S. army. It's a given that "grunt" soldiering pretty much sucks the world over.

To get more on topic of the original question about the effectiveness of training one's ass off, some of the SF training may be superfluous but I would imagine most is not. The purpose of training is to simulate actual conditions and situations. These may vary by country (i.e. the Norwegian special forces would probably spend less time on jungle warfare training than other types of training dealing with climates they were more likely to encounter.) Special Forces training would also have to be atypically difficult otherwise there would be nothing "special" about it. There are psychological issues involved as well. The more difficult the training the more pride and esprit decor you would have among the graduates. In many ways it's no different than a professional designation you must earn by passing an extremely difficult written exam that has a high fail rate.

In conclusion, I would say that the tough training IS necessary among SF units.

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his is getting pretty OT, can the Korean war related posts be moved to the Korean war thread?

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Correct..please return to the subject at hand.

How did this turn into one of those stupid debate again?
I just want to clean this once and for quick in my POV
To judgmental Day - you are right, my grandfather was a deputy company commander in the war and he told me that the PVA indeed did use the human wave tactis and many soliders were basically "slaughtered" on their charge toward the enemy as it is not preventable since the chinese were way behind in military technology back in the days.
To PLAROC01- it is no use to argue with something that already happened, and the only reason that kept us not losing the war was the iron courage of our ancestors, which is now very rarely seen as people live better lives now. but what was the price to pay for the outcome of the korena war? roughly 120 thousand young man died, do u know how many old chinese mothers were dying to see their son and only to find out that they are dead and their corpse were not even to be found or only in pieces?. Lets keep it this on topic, if you serve for an NATO army or UN as their advanced technology allows them to train as hard and still be in the lead, so you have no idea what real harsh military training is like. Trust me on that one. Btw The chinese side did suffer a larger cal than the UN side during the korean war, its a fact dont argue it.

When it comes to endurance and daily physical training, I'm sure PLA offer by far the most painful and harsh ones. As it is our only way to make up for our weaknesses in the area of military technology. I am not lying, all the above training i posted are 100% true and that it is even worse for scout squad of the special force companies as they needed a better endurance and physical fitness than other members,

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sidewinder01 said:

When it comes to endurance and daily physical training, I'm sure PLA offer by far the most painful and harsh ones. As it is our only way to make up for our weaknesses in the area of military technology. I am not lying, all the above training i posted are 100% true and that it is even worse for scout squad of the special force companies as they needed a better endurance and physical fitness than other members,

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not really true. ground forces are fairly well equipped compare to most nations. so i wouldnt say they train hard to compensate for lack of technology. its not that simple. despite having technology it comes down to refining your troops techniques, tactics and skills. technology is just a pleasure tool that makes life easier or more deadly. China current ground force is pretty sufficient, and so too is its airforce, navy yeah pretty well equipped in small numbers. though their are loose screws here and their in the military.

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PrOeLiTeZ;not really true. ground forces are fairly well equipped compare to most nations. so i wouldnt say they train hard to compensate for lack of technology. its not that simple. despite having technology it comes down to refining your troops techniques, tactics and skills. technology is just a pleasure tool that makes life easier or more deadly. China current ground force is pretty sufficient, and so too is its airforce, navy yeah pretty well equipped in small numbers. though their are loose screws here and their in the military.

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i guess i didnt make it clear enough as I meant it was a tradition that was passed down, even though the situation is much better now, the tradition did disappear and people still trained very hard in term of physical training.
But, not of PLA were eqipped the same. Only the "front line" GAs were equpped very well.... the others.... trust me they are not.

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okay sidewinder, i know what the PLA ground troops trainings are like. i've seen them. so what if its extremely harsh? are you implying that the army i serve with is somehow soft? if its a professional army then its military training is beyond the endurance capacity (mentally) of a normal civilian, that's y its called a professional army, if you or any civilian is to go do exactly what professional soldiers do without any preparations, you would not be able to last very long. besides army training isnt all about physical training and mental stress training, there are a lot of PROFESSIONAL skills you have to learn. if you give me a compass and the bearing of an object buried underground 1km away, i can take you to that object with only a compass, a map, and maybe a pacer...with CEP no more than 10m. now that's not something you can learn from extreme harsh physical training is it? and that's just one aspect of it.
as for the korean war debate, i have my facts and you can argue yours, and i dont know which side suffered a more casualty, but it cant be off by very far cuz even the Chinese-american death ratio was like 3:1 so if you include the koreans its gonna end up something like 1:1. this obviously shows that human wave tactic, which would prolly result in like 10:1 ratio if not higher, was not employed as a pervasively unless it was used by both sides. use your logic man. the PLA just came out of a the bloody civil war with way less death toll than the KMT. there is just no way you can convince me that an army which was known for its briliant tactics just forgot to take their brains with them to korea. anyhow i do not wish to discuss this any further give your last thoughts and we'll leave it at that.
and if you live in the west, go take a look at how they train before you start tellin me NATO soldiers are soft

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sidewinder01 said:

But, not of PLA were eqipped the same. Only the "front line" GAs were equpped very well.... the others.... trust me they are not.

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well then you should prolly know that only the 500000 Cat A troops + the 31st GA train the way you've described, i am not saying the rest are soft but they dont train as hard.

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pla101prc said:

okay sidewinder, i know what the PLA ground troops trainings are like. i've seen them. so what if its extremely harsh? are you implying that the army i serve with is somehow soft? if its a professional army then its military training is beyond the endurance capacity (mentally) of a normal civilian, that's y its called a professional army, if you or any civilian is to go do exactly what professional soldiers do without any preparations, you would not be able to last very long. besides army training isnt all about physical training and mental stress training, there are a lot of PROFESSIONAL skills you have to learn. if you give me a compass and the bearing of an object buried underground 1km away, i can take you to that object with only a compass, a map, and maybe a pacer...with CEP no more than 10m. now that's not something you can learn from extreme harsh physical training is it? and that's just one aspect of it.
as for the korean war debate, i have my facts and you can argue yours, and i dont know which side suffered a more casualty, but it cant be off by very far cuz even the Chinese-american death ratio was like 3:1 so if you include the koreans its gonna end up something like 1:1. this obviously shows that human wave tactic, which would prolly result in like 10:1 ratio if not higher, was not employed as a pervasively unless it was used by both sides. use your logic man. the PLA just came out of a the bloody civil war with way less death toll than the KMT. there is just no way you can convince me that an army which was known for its briliant tactics just forgot to take their brains with them to korea. anyhow i do not wish to discuss this any further give your last thoughts and we'll leave it at that.
and if you live in the west, go take a look at how they train before you start tellin me NATO soldiers are soft

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not saying NATO are soft at all, I think they are the best equpped army in the world. In now a days, as we know, things as phyiscal fitness matters much less than before, mordern equipment has taken a far more important place in a modern warfare today. From that point of view, NATO would not be soft, it will be very hard. But as technology increases, emphasis on physical fitness decreases in normal units as its no longer as needed as before. Its like this, Why would you need to run for 30 minutes to go shopping when you can just drive there in 3 mins? The reason the chinese trained so hard that way was because most of the chinese units lack the military technology that the NATO or most modern western army has. Almost of all my elders in my family has been in different levels of military command and I grew up in the enviroment. And I do know how the West trains in term of phyiscal fitness, I have friends who joined the marine and the army and even a friend who became a green beret. For the marines, after 13 weeks of boot camp I think the passing time for 5k is around 21 to 23 mintues with very light but boots and pants on. I am no expert in military as I major in pre-med, but I do see recurits for the 38th GA ran 2 10k a day during boot camp with light weights(15kg or less) and people having internal organ damage due to overexcercise and I doubt that would happen in the US....