The Chinese Cruiser, forget the carrier...

iceHawk

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"In regards to China's surface fleet (presently consisting of 64 large combatant units: 21 destroyers and 43 frigates), for the next decade Beijing will be committed to the demanding process of replacing obsolete ships, that had for so long reduced the Chinese Navy to a mere coastal fleet, with more modern units. For this reason, P.L.A.N. continues to bring into service units of Russian Sovremenny class destroyers, while pursuing the construction of 052B and 052C class warships,in addition to the construction of a completely new ship, being built in China's Dalian shipyard, that is expected to be very large and loaded with heavy surface armament (probably similar to Russia's Slava class cruisers)."

"...The submarine fleet will have the same duties as surface vessels, but is also expected to be assigned the hard task of facing the "traditional" Taiwanese adversary and, supposedly, coping with U.S. battle groups. In fact, it appears that Beijing discarded the possibility of deploying a limited number of aircraft carriers (which would appear excessive in relation to other regional navies) since they would have little hope of prevailing in an engagement with U.S. naval forces. This explains why China's aircraft carrier planning and construction is slowing in pace. Indeed, Beijing now prefers a well-stocked fleet of diesel submarines and nuclear powered submarines to have the difficult role of exerting some deterrence against American ships in case of a crisis.

Following this path, China will rise to a respectable level of underwater power, partially repeating the Soviet strategy during the Cold War. However, unlike the past Soviet submarine fleet (essentially dedicated to attacking N.A.T.O. forces and protecting bastions full of SSBNs), Chinese submarine forces seem to be assigned the role of supporting surface forces -- in their attempts to control sea lines of communication, with the additional mission of trying to exert some form of counter-power against U.S. forces."


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MIGleader

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one or two carriers arnt to bad, they are very useful for the pla to project around its sea lanes. crusers? i only know that the chinese have two 51c destroyers under construction.
 

iceHawk

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Carrier > "would have little hope of prevailing in an engagement with U.S. naval forces" ie waste of $ if its going to the bottom of the sea anyways.

"construction of a completely new ship, being built in China's Dalian shipyard, that is expected to be very large and loaded with heavy surface armament (probably similar to Russia's Slava class cruisers)." > no clue either, hence posting it here, maybe someone can find out more info.
 

iceHawk

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MIGleader said:
the carrier is not to be used against the u.s, but maybe japan or taiwan.
And just how would the US Carrier battle groups just let that happen??? :rolleyes: Either way the quoted paper seems very accurate of future Chinese naval intentions. It also seems to make sense. The recent deal for Il-76 and Il-78 transports would suggest that their air projection will go with J-11s and tankers, not a carrier. Makes much more sense either way.
 

MIGleader

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it will happen when there's a war that doesn't invole the u.s. a carrier also lets china finally claim a blue water navy, something it deserves and has been wanting for a long time.
 

Jeff Head

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iceHawk said:
"it appears that Beijing discarded the possibility of deploying a limited number of aircraft carriers since they would have little hope of prevailing in an engagement with U.S. naval forces.

I believe that they will try and do both, ie. deploy a larger surface combatant class and develop carriers. First possibly the Varyag, followed by their own development.

But that's just my opinion.

In either case, short of some sognificant breakthrough technologically, like an operational and effective supercavitator, or a major break down in the US, it will be years before either path, or both paths, represent a significant challenge to the US Navy.
 

PLABUDDY

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iceHawk said:
"In regards to China's surface fleet (presently consisting of 64 large combatant units: 21 destroyers and 43 frigates), for the next decade Beijing will be committed to the demanding process of replacing obsolete ships, that had for so long reduced the Chinese Navy to a mere coastal fleet, with more modern units. For this reason, P.L.A.N. continues to bring into service units of Russian Sovremenny class destroyers, while pursuing the construction of 052B and 052C class warships,in addition to the construction of a completely new ship, being built in China's Dalian shipyard, that is expected to be very large and loaded with heavy surface armament (probably similar to Russia's Slava class cruisers)."

"...The submarine fleet will have the same duties as surface vessels, but is also expected to be assigned the hard task of facing the "traditional" Taiwanese adversary and, supposedly, coping with U.S. battle groups. In fact, it appears that Beijing discarded the possibility of deploying a limited number of aircraft carriers (which would appear excessive in relation to other regional navies) since they would have little hope of prevailing in an engagement with U.S. naval forces. This explains why China's aircraft carrier planning and construction is slowing in pace. Indeed, Beijing now prefers a well-stocked fleet of diesel submarines and nuclear powered submarines to have the difficult role of exerting some deterrence against American ships in case of a crisis.

Following this path, China will rise to a respectable level of underwater power, partially repeating the Soviet strategy during the Cold War. However, unlike the past Soviet submarine fleet (essentially dedicated to attacking N.A.T.O. forces and protecting bastions full of SSBNs), Chinese submarine forces seem to be assigned the role of supporting surface forces -- in their attempts to control sea lines of communication, with the additional mission of trying to exert some form of counter-power against U.S. forces."


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Please what kind of retarded article is this??? WHY MAKE THE PLAN A COSTAL DEFENCE NAVY??? PLAN SHOULD AIM FOR BLUE-WATER NAVY!
 

iceHawk

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PLABUDDY said:
Please what kind of retarded article is this??? WHY MAKE THE PLAN A COSTAL DEFENCE NAVY??? PLAN SHOULD AIM FOR BLUE-WATER NAVY!

The title is ''The Modernization of the Chinese Navy''.
"The Power and Interest News Report (PINR) is an independent organization that utilizes open source intelligence to provide conflict analysis services in the context of international relations. PINR approaches a subject based upon the powers and interests involved, leaving the moral judgments to the reader."

As to the costal defense statement. Thats retarded. The article claims they're going to follow the Soviet naval doctrine of blue water naval developement. "Indeed, Beijing now prefers a well-stocked fleet of diesel submarines and nuclear powered submarines to have the difficult role of exerting some deterrence against American ships in case of a crisis."
 

MIGleader

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a blue water navy does not have to have a carrier. the soviet navy had world projection ability without carriers for the 80's. the british navy was a blue water one for hundreds of years with no carriers.

the aquisition of the forces make china green water, and if they ave one carrier, they will be blue water.

india
thailand
brazil
are all not blue water!!!!
 
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