The alleged Chinese theft of ASML IP;stealing useless info & got a bad rep

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I am reading this article, and if its true, and totally holding in contempt for the useless info they stole. Source code, user manual, and pricing strategies. They stole useless info and got a bad rep, totally not worthy it.

Most people know the brain of the lithography equipment is Optical lens arrangement and configuration to give it nanometer resolution. Know what material and size of lens, distance, arrangement, etc...

Stealing software source code , pricing strategies and user manual and getting a bad rep is a shitty deal for the Chinese , totally not worth it. Sounds like the Chinese folks don't know what they doing, have no knowledge of lithograph equipment, maybe someone majors in biology , sales, or genetics, etc.... Lousy agents. If it's worthless craps, don't steal it!!!

They should pool money and resource into commercialize the new lithography equipment concept developed by China academy of science. It's different approach than ASML.

Doing that is much better than stealing completely useless info. They should get some training and read into art of stealing.
 
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Why Might China Want to Steal These Silicon Secrets?

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ASML's technology will be crucial for making the next generation of chips. It's not surprising that China might want to steal its blueprints.

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April 11, 2019, 1:34 PM GMT+2

If you were compiling a shortlist of companies with the key building blocks for the next technological revolution, it would surely include ASML Holding NV.

That’s why it’s particularly significant that the Dutch maker of semiconductor manufacturing equipment was the target of theft by a rival with alleged ties to the Chinese state,
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from Het Financieele Dagblad on Thursday.

The Dutch newspaper said that ASML research and development employees in San Jose, California, passed internal documents over the course of several years to XTAL, a competitor whose parent receives state support. A U.S. court made XTAL pay $230 million
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to ASML last year, but its links to the Chinese state weren’t clear at the time.

ASML doesn’t enjoy the name recognition of an Apple Inc., Intel Corp. or Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., but it is Europe’s second-biggest technology company by market capitalization. The world’s chipmakers buy its machines in order to manufacture the semiconductors that go into our smartphones, computers, cars and servers. ASML’s biggest customers are Intel and Samsung, as well as Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd., which makes iPhone chips for Apple.

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China is now almost as big a market for ASML as the U.S. and Taiwan

The Dutch company has one serious advantage over rivals Nikon Corp. and Canon Inc. – it’s the only firm to have mastered next-generation
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. Lithography is the process by which circuit patterns are etched onto silicon wafers. The EUV process will allow the printing of circuits that are more than 10 times smaller than the current standard.

The EUV machines cost more than 100 million euros ($113 million) apiece, and are starting to be delivered. The innovation could put off the day that Moore’s Law, which says that processing power doubles every 18 months, no longer holds true.

That’s why the firm’s technology would be particularly attractive to China. The country aims to spend some $150 billion over a decade to assume a leading role in technology design and manufacturing as part of its “
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” push. Although it is a hub for electronics manufacturing, assembling iPhones, laptops, smart speakers and more, a lot of the crucial underlying technology is imported, including some $200 billion of annual semiconductor imports. China accounted for 17 percent of ASML’s 11 billion euros in sales last year.

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Chinese telecoms equipment maker ZTE Corp. from buying American-made components. Though the embargo attempt fell through, the threat such a prohibition would have posed to domestic output is a lesson that has been learned. If China wants to have a standalone semiconductor industry, then it also needs to gain proficiency in the equipment needed to make the chips. One reason it can’t just buy this is that there’s a limit to how many EUV machines ASML can produce: it expects to ship just 30 such systems in 2019, up from 18 last year. The same goes for other lithography equipment.
It’s unclear what important technology, if any, was stolen by XTAL, whose parent Dongfang Jingyuan has “indirect links” to China’s Ministry of Science and Technology, according to the FD. The newspaper said the theft comprised Source codes, software, price strategies, and secret user manuals. A spokeswoman for ASML told Bloomberg News that “There is no blueprint on the street where you can build a lithography machine.”

But if there was any doubt about how serious China is about silicon independence, the allegations about the ASML theft, if true, will surely dispel it.
 

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I have concluded there are certain elements in this forum are similar to those bums stole worthless ASML info due to lack of expertise in the right area and got bad rep, stinks up the joint.
 

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More “alleged” crap that they keep throwing around to smear their foreign competitors. Usually it only works on domestic audience.

International partners are all very ready to recieve Chinese technology, even ready to brave US anger to do so! UK, Germany, Italy, Russia, real recognize real.

Fake news from Bloomberg will do nothing to change the tides. As fake as the spying chips and as fake as the Iraqi wmds
 
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I have been saying for a long time that China needs its own semiconductor tools industry. This is a process Japan also had to go through.
I think the only shame is they did not start working on it a longer time ago.

Industrial espionage is just a fact of business in general. Everyone does it to some degree.
 

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I have concluded there are certain elements in this forum are similar to those bums stole worthless ASML info due to lack of expertise in the right area and got bad rep, stinks up the joint.
As long as you did try (your best) to confirm/verify the reports, it's fine.
 

tidalwave

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I have been saying for a long time that China needs its own semiconductor tools industry. This is a process Japan also had to go through.
I think the only shame is they did not start working on it a longer time ago.

Industrial espionage is just a fact of business in general. Everyone does it to some degree.

They have. Unfortunately not enough china companies willing to take a chance on them therefore they fall behind. That's why need influential players like huawei to take a chance and take a lead into this and start using them.

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