Syrian rebels turn guns on each other

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not sure if this was already posted, but the russians already confirmed a while ago that it was the rebels all along that used chemicals, not the government, this was proven and done at a certified and recognized laboratory by Russian investigators.
 

delft

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All I can say is these building and historical monuments were very well maintained and restored under the Assad regime, when I visited in 2004 the atmosphere was amazing and very positive, it seemed to be a country in transformation, closed for many years finally it seemed like Syria was going to be open like Egypt and many tourists were visiting and arriving in the bus loads, as if you were on the verge of seeing a real change in the region and the country

When we crossed from Turkish border into Syria there was a line of trucks on both end of the border crossing, there was massive trade between Turkey and Syria, we could see the line of trucks extending for miles and miles, there was a buz in the air, people trading and much activity

But then somehow somewhere it all went wrong, when you see pictures of Syrian city's today it reminds of Stalingrad

All I can say is under Assad these things never happened, so he must have been doing something right, world heritage sites have been destroyed I never seem anything like this when I was there, I'm glad I toured when I was younger you can't ever imagine going to these countrys now, I got the chance to go there and see for myself what now has gone
It's a pity that among the rogue states supporting the rebels are three permanent members of the Security Council, in clear violation of the UN Charter. See this article from the BBC website:
Syria conflict in stalemate, David Cameron says

The Assad government may have got "stronger" in recent months, but more can be done to help Syria's opposition forces, David Cameron has said.


The UK prime minister told the BBC there was a "stalemate" on the ground, but work must continue internationally to try to find a solution.

UK military chiefs have warned of the risks of arming rebel groups.

Mr Cameron said there was "too much extremism" among the opposition, but moderate groups still deserved support.

Syrian government forces have taken the initiative in recent months, and have been bolstered by the capture of the strategically important town of Qusair in the west of the country in June.

Most of the much bigger city of Homs has been recaptured by government troops backed by Lebanon's Hezbollah.

'Evil man'

Washington and London have been looking at ways to increase logistical support for opposition groups and the UK announced last week it was sending £650,000-worth of protective clothing to guard them against chemical and biological attacks.

But reports have suggested support for supplying weapons to rebel groups is receding, due to strong political opposition and widespread concerns about arms falling into the wrong hands.

Mr Cameron told the Andrew Marr show that President Bashar al-Assad was an "evil" man who was doing "terrible things to his people".

"It is a very depressing picture and it is a picture which is on the wrong trajectory," he said of the conflict.

"There is too much extremism among the rebels. There is also still appalling behaviour from this dreadful regime using chemical weapons. There is an enormous overspill of problems into neighbouring countries."

He added: "I think he [Assad] may be stronger than he was a few months ago but I'd still describe the situation as a stalemate."

'Head in sand'

Despite the UK's concerns about the actions and views of some opposition groups, Mr Cameron said the UK had a duty to support those pushing for a "democratic, free and pluralistic" country.

"You do have problems with part of the opposition which is extreme, that we should have nothing to do with. But that is not a reason for pulling up the drawbridge, putting our head in the sand and doing nothing.

"What we should be doing is working with international partners to help the millions of Syrians who want to have a free democratic Syria, who want to see that country have some form of success."

Mr Cameron also said reports in the media that his wife had been a strong influence on his policy were a "total urban myth".

Samantha Cameron visited a refugee camp in Lebanon in March in her role as ambassador for Save The Children, in which she met families and children displaced by the conflict.

It has been suggested that she has since pressed for a stronger humanitarian response.

The UN says the refugee crisis is the worst for 20 years, with 1.7 million forced to seek shelter in neighbouring countries and an average of 6,000 people fleeing every day this year.

Mr Cameron said his wife had been "very moved" by what she had seen and heard from people who had lost loved ones and whose communities had been destroyed.

But he added: "She does not influence my policy on this. I have been very passionate about this for a long time."

The journalist who wrote about the situation in Syria recently in my Dutch newspaper wrote to me that there was no way to estimate the relative support among the population of the parties in Syria. Even so Cameron dares to say 'the UK had a duty to support those pushing for a "democratic, free and pluralistic" country', quite clearly a tiny part of the rebels, and then send £650,000-worth of protective clothing so they are protected when using chemical or biological weapons.
 

delft

Brigadier
Out of religious allegiance the gulf state supporting the AQ with money and arms, the West might've been playing along at first due to the Iranian factor, but judging the "talk loud at front, but drag their feet in real" situation, it seems that the West now looking for an exit strategy but wish one that won't put them openly opposing those oil producing gulf states .
I doubt this is about religious allegiance. It is more likely about which gas pipeline from the Persian Gulf will cross Syria, from Iran to the Mediterranean or from Qatar to Turkey and, if the latter, will the main profit go to Qatar or Saudi Arabia.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
It's a pity that among the rogue states supporting the rebels are three permanent members of the Security Council, in clear violation of the UN Charter. See this article from the BBC website:


The journalist who wrote about the situation in Syria recently in my Dutch newspaper wrote to me that there was no way to estimate the relative support among the population of the parties in Syria. Even so Cameron dares to say 'the UK had a duty to support those pushing for a "democratic, free and pluralistic" country', quite clearly a tiny part of the rebels, and then send £650,000-worth of protective clothing so they are protected when using chemical or biological weapons.

I know I've been hearing so much in the news on this $1 million package for the rebels I mean when is UK going to learn that it needs to keep out of other peoples business

Even before the rebels had set up camp UK and others quickly like idiots declared them the true representatives of the Syria people and democracy

Although I have always maintained that the regime and Assad must go but in light of these sad sadistic cannibals who eat people's organs and kill kids in the name of Islam I have to say I no longer see the rebels as the "opposition"

These lunatics are beyond dumb, the cause is lost and yet UK is supplying weapons to these thugs and bandits?

UK spent best part of £10 billion on the war in Iraq a war which did not effect UK national security in any way, yes ok you can say the £10 billion in Afghanisan was for security of UK and rest of the world but Iraq??

£10 billion would have paid for two more Queen Elizabeth Carriers and thier operations for the atleast next 5 years
 

Kurt

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A German article worth translating.
There appear new weapons among the rebels in Syria that must be imports, including Chinese hardware. That is mainly, but not exclusively, for the secular rebel groups.
The djihadis have been divided into a native Syrian group aligned with al Qaida (a source of military know-how) and a foreigner group that tries to enforce a more pan-Muslim state society.
The essence is that none can withstand the onslaught of regime changes and that the djihadis are very capable at losing public support the more power they try to grab. Saudi Arabia is claimed to have possibly switched their financial backing to less Islamistic groups whatever that means.
 
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