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Jura

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Sunday at 1:08 PM
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Liren will meet
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in the finals
a spectacular win today by Liren who's now just one point (one win or two draws) from winning the whole event
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LOL noticed somewhere this comment by his opponent today:
"If you want to criticize me, first try to play a match with Ding Liren yourself"

(the game:
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B.I.B.

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I think that in some female sports the Chinese women got a head start because of state funding. In Western countries women teams found it hard to attract sponshership until recently. Hence one can see the difference in skill level in sports such as softball, field hockey, basketball and soccer to name a few, have closed.
 

B.I.B.

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Okey dokey boy and girls. The 2019 World Weightlifting Championships have concluded and here is the summary:

Of the 20 total classed, 14 are Olympic classes which are the most heavily-contested. The non-Olympic classes China ignored because of athlete quota. Of these 14 classes, each class is divided into the snatch, clean and jerk, and total, meaning 2 small medals (snatch and clean and jerk) and 1 large medal (total) in each event.

China contested 13 classes and won large (total score) medals in all 13. 10 were gold; 2 were silver, and 1 was bronze. No other country won more than 1. This does not count duplicates in the same category where China won gold and silver or gold and bronze. If there is a duplicate (which there were in 6 of the 13 categories where both Chinese athletes made it to the podium) only the best medal is presented. So 10 out of 14 large for the People's Republic of China.

When it comes to all medals, there are 14 classes, 3 per class for a total of 42. China won 29 of the 42 gold medals and the runner ups are Georgia, Armenia, and North Korea with 3 each.

China sent a full roster of 20 athletes, 19 of whom earned at least one medal and 14 earned at least one gold medal. 1 person did not due to injury.

When it comes to world records, China created 13 standing world records, which does not count ones that were created, then beaten by another world record at the same competition. The runner ups are North Korea and Georgia with 3 each.

There are a total of 39 standing world records; there could/should be 42 because 14 classes with 3 each is 42 but 3 of them are world standards which have not been achieved by anyone. Of the 39 world records in existance, China currently owns 23 (three of which are awaiting final disqualification of the Thai athletes who tested positive last year so they are to be stripped and given to China. This can be a long legal process but never fails once the A sample is positive). The runner ups are Armenia, Georgia, and North Korea, each with 3 standing world records.

Why aren't all the classes represented in the Olympics and allow only on entrant in each weight division?

Have you ever watched this weightlifting competition on you tube where the women just have to do the clean part of the lift. The bits I watched the "Jerk" aspect was not required. Really weird and it left me wondering why.
 
Why aren't all the classes represented in the Olympics and allow only on entrant in each weight division?
All the classes are not represented because the Olympic committee feels that that would give too many medals to weightlifting. If all 20 classes were represented, the 2 movements that comprise the entire sport would have almost half the weight of all the track and field events at the medal tables. If the medals were given out in the same way they are at the world's, then that is 3 medals in each class, totaling 60 gold medals, which would be more medal weight than any other sports category. If that were to happen, no country could hope to even surpass China in the Olympic medal count. I personally think that swimming is over-represented with too many events and medals but white people are good at it while Asians are good at weightlifting so they don't wanna see China get like 80+ gold medals.

Only 1 entrant is allowed in each division because China is too powerful. There are classes where any of China's top 3 or 5 could win the gold with ease so by allowing only a single athlete, China is still vulnerable to that one athlete having an off day and bombing whereas if they had 2, it would be very unlikely that both could screw it up at the same time. At the 2016 Olympics, Chinese world champion and current world record holder Chen Lijun suddenly suffered from cramps in his forearms, making it too hard to grip the barbell. As a result, he bombed and the gold medal went to a Colombian weightlifter who is great, but couldn't have hoped to challenge Chen under normal circumstances. If China had 2 athletes in that division, this adverse loss could have been prevented. If it was completely fair and athletes qualified into the Olympics by results rather than country quota, it would be a cluster-FK of Chinese people lifting one after the other and no one else would ever watch weightlifting again. They might as well let CCTV5 take over the broadcasting LOL

But really, I just showed you how incredible China is at weightlifting. There were several new rules implemented to reduce Chinese dominance at the Olympics including lowering country quotas (from 10 to 8), requiring multiple qualifying meets in a short time to qualify (if you have too many good athletes, there are not enough events to qualify them all), and finally, countries can no longer choose which athletes they send to which divisions; it is all points based. This takes away the flexibility from China to send one athlete in another's stead if that athlete suffers a last minute training injury. It does not affect most other countries because almost no other countries have more than 1 medal contender in each class to choose from.
Have you ever watched this weightlifting competition on you tube where the women just have to do the clean part of the lift. The bits I watched the "Jerk" aspect was not required. Really weird and it left me wondering why.
There is no such thing. I think the highlights reel you watched cut out the jerk or this was some Crossfit oddity. There is only the snatch and the clean&jerk, 2 motions in weightlifting. Anything else and you're not watching weightlifting.
 
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B.I.B.

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All the classes are not represented because the Olympic committee feels that that would give too many medals to weightlifting. If all 20 classes were represented, the 2 movements that comprise the entire sport would have almost half the weight of all the track and field events at the medal tables. If the medals were given out in the same way they are at the world's, then that is 3 medals in each class, totaling 60 gold medals, which would be more medal weight than any other sports category. If that were to happen, no country could hope to even surpass China in the Olympic medal count. I personally think that swimming is over-represented with too many events and medals but white people are good at it while Asians are good at weightlifting so they don't wanna see China get like 80+ gold medals.

Only 1 entrant is allowed in each division because China is too powerful. There are classes where any of China's top 3 or 5 could win the gold with ease so by allowing only a single athlete, China is still vulnerable to that one athlete having an off day and bombing whereas if they had 2, it would be very unlikely that both could screw it up at the same time. At the 2016 Olympics, Chinese world champion and current world record holder Chen Lijun suddenly suffered from cramps in his forearms, making it too hard to grip the barbell. As a result, he bombed and the gold medal went to a Colombian weightlifter who is great, but couldn't have hoped to challenge Chen under normal circumstances. If China had 2 athletes in that division, this adverse loss could have been prevented. If it was completely fair and athletes qualified into the Olympics by results rather than country quota, it would be a cluster-FK of Chinese people lifting one after the other and no one else would ever watch weightlifting again. They might as well let CCTV5 take over the broadcasting LOL

But really, I just showed you how incredible China is at weightlifting. There were several new rules implemented to reduce Chinese dominance at the Olympics including lowering country quotas (from 10 to 8), requiring multiple qualifying meets in a short time to qualify (if you have too many good athletes, there are not enough events to qualify them all), and finally, countries can no longer choose which athletes they send to which divisions; it is all points based. This takes away the flexibility from China to send one athlete in another's stead if that athlete suffers a last minute training injury. It does not affect most other countries because almost no other countries have more than 1 medal contender in each class to choose from.

There is no such thing. I think the highlights reel you watched cut out the jerk or this was some Crossfit oddity. There is only the snatch and the clean&jerk, 2 motions in weightlifting. Anything else and you're not watching weightlifting.
All the classes are not represented because the Olympic committee feels that that would give too many medals to weightlifting. If all 20 classes were represented, the 2 movements that comprise the entire sport would have almost half the weight of all the track and field events at the medal tables. If the medals were given out in the same way they are at the world's, then that is 3 medals in each class, totaling 60 gold medals, which would be more medal weight than any other sports category. If that were to happen, no country could hope to even surpass China in the Olympic medal count. I personally think that swimming is over-represented with too many events and medals but white people are good at it while Asians are good at weightlifting so they don't wanna see China get like 80+ gold medals.

Only 1 entrant is allowed in each division because China is too powerful. There are classes where any of China's top 3 or 5 could win the gold with ease so by allowing only a single athlete, China is still vulnerable to that one athlete having an off day and bombing whereas if they had 2, it would be very unlikely that both could screw it up at the same time. At the 2016 Olympics, Chinese world champion and current world record holder Chen Lijun suddenly suffered from cramps in his forearms, making it too hard to grip the barbell. As a result, he bombed and the gold medal went to a Colombian weightlifter who is great, but couldn't have hoped to challenge Chen under normal circumstances. If China had 2 athletes in that division, this adverse loss could have been prevented. If it was completely fair and athletes qualified into the Olympics by results rather than country quota, it would be a cluster-FK of Chinese people lifting one after the other and no one else would ever watch weightlifting again. They might as well let CCTV5 take over the broadcasting LOL

But really, I just showed you how incredible China is at weightlifting. There were several new rules implemented to reduce Chinese dominance at the Olympics including lowering country quotas (from 10 to 8), requiring multiple qualifying meets in a short time to qualify (if you have too many good athletes, there are not enough events to qualify them all), and finally, countries can no longer choose which athletes they send to which divisions; it is all points based. This takes away the flexibility from China to send one athlete in another's stead if that athlete suffers a last minute training injury. It does not affect most other countries because almost no other countries have more than 1 medal contender in each class to choose from.

There is no such thing. I think the highlights reel you watched cut out the jerk or this was some Crossfit oddity. There is only the snatch and the clean&jerk, 2 motions in weightlifting. Anything else and you're not watching weightlifting.
All the classes are not represented because the Olympic committee feels that that would give too many medals to weightlifting. If all 20 classes were represented, the 2 movements that comprise the entire sport would have almost half the weight of all the track and field events at the medal tables. If the medals were given out in the same way they are at the world's, then that is 3 medals in each class, totaling 60 gold medals, which would be more medal weight than any other sports category. If that were to happen, no country could hope to even surpass China in the Olympic medal count. I personally think that swimming is over-represented with too many events and medals but white people are good at it while Asians are good at weightlifting so they don't wanna see China get like 80+ gold medals.

Only 1 entrant is allowed in each division because China is too powerful. There are classes where any of China's top 3 or 5 could win the gold with ease so by allowing only a single athlete, China is still vulnerable to that one athlete having an off day and bombing whereas if they had 2, it would be very unlikely that both could screw it up at the same time. At the 2016 Olympics, Chinese world champion and current world record holder Chen Lijun suddenly suffered from cramps in his forearms, making it too hard to grip the barbell. As a result, he bombed and the gold medal went to a Colombian weightlifter who is great, but couldn't have hoped to challenge Chen under normal circumstances. If China had 2 athletes in that division, this adverse loss could have been prevented. If it was completely fair and athletes qualified into the Olympics by results rather than country quota, it would be a cluster-FK of Chinese people lifting one after the other and no one else would ever watch weightlifting again. They might as well let CCTV5 take over the broadcasting LOL

But really, I just showed you how incredible China is at weightlifting. There were several new rules implemented to reduce Chinese dominance at the Olympics including lowering country quotas (from 10 to 8), requiring multiple qualifying meets in a short time to qualify (if you have too many good athletes, there are not enough events to qualify them all), and finally, countries can no longer choose which athletes they send to which divisions; it is all points based. This takes away the flexibility from China to send one athlete in another's stead if that athlete suffers a last minute training injury. It does not affect most other countries because almost no other countries have more than 1 medal contender in each class to choose from.

There is no such thing. I think the highlights reel you watched cut out the jerk or this was some Crossfit oddity. There is only the snatch and the clean&jerk, 2 motions in weightlifting. Anything else and you're not watching weightlifting.
Yeah I checked it was some Reebok crossfit.comp.Still they cleand 265.pounds
Maybe they can migrate some of their weight lifters and rep Hong Kong in the Olympics.
 
Yeah I checked it was some Reebok crossfit.comp.Still they cleand 265.pounds
Maybe they can migrate some of their weight lifters and rep Hong Kong in the Olympics.
Cleaning 265 pounds is considered an impressive feat for only the women's 49 kg class, which is the lightest Olympic class. I'm guessing if you saw a woman clean this in an American competition, her body-weight was closer to double 49kg LOL

Not a bad idea. Hong Kong and the PRC are each allowed 4 men, 4 women, so for the gold medalists in the PRC who have to be cut due to quota, they can lift for Hong Kong. China currently has 10 gold medalist weightlifters and a silver hopeful of a gold (11 people) fighting for 8 spots. So the PRC can send 8 of the most solid to take those golds, and they can delegate the other 3 to Hong Kong, winning another 2-3 gold medals there. Best part is, there's no chance they would ever have to lift against their teammates because they're all in separate classes!

I think if that happens, the weightlifting federation would just have to frame Chinese lifters with fake positive samples to reduce the gold medals going to China. They really don't want the global popularity of weightlifting suffering because of depressing Chinese domination at the Olympics. Only die-hard fans will watch a sporting event where their country stands no chance of a medal and they get to hear the Chinese national anthem played 10+ times in a 14 event competition.
 
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Jura

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Kenya's Eliud Kipchoge smashes two-hour marathon barrier
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some time ago the leading group happened to run close to me during
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(I was waiting for a tram close to their route)
and it's amazing to see that live: they're sprinting! LOL!
 

Equation

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it's awesome despite it doesn't count

by the way in my best running days I could do a HALF-marathon in one-hundred minutes I mean at pretty much HALF of a speed of that runner, LOL!
You beat my timing when I did the Houston Half Marathon when I was younger at 2 hours and 45 minutes.
 
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