Speculation and facts on future Chinese vessels

SinoSoldier

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Here are some speculation evolving around some future major Chinese combat vessels:

1. Type 052D DDG: this will be a 10,000 ton destroyer, upgraded version of the Type 052C, with up to 96 VLS launchers and 128 YJ-12 anti ship missiles. Construction is expected in 2012. This will be the main surface combatant of the future PLA Navy.

2. Type 051D DDG: this will be an enlarged and enhanced variant of the Type 051C, with possible parallel construction time with the Type 052D.

3. Type 054B FFG: not much is known, but it is expected to enter construction after the 12th Type 054A is launched (I'm expecting late 2011).

4. Type 095 SSN: it could feature VLS launched cruise and anti ship missiles. Initial operational capability could be achieved as early as 2012. It may also feature pump jet propulsion.

5. Type 096 SSBN: with 24 SLBMs, this monster would be based on the Type 094. Its design reportedly has already been finished, and could enter construction in a few years, after 2 Type 095 SSNs are built.

6. Type 094 Type 2: this is a newer variant of the Type 094 SSBN, with 16 SLBMs, and could be launched 2011-2012. Not much is known. It may not even exist.

7. Type 081 HLD: capacity to carry up to 500 troops, this LHD will enter construction after 3 Type 071 LPDs are built. (Probably 2012-2013).

8. Type 089 CV: conventional aircraft carrier, 65000 tons displacement. 3 may be built, including the Varyag.

9. Type 085 CV: nuclear powered aircraft carrier, 93000 tons displacement. 2 may be built.

Sources: Information Dissemination, Deagel, SinoDefence, Huitong, various military blogs.


Not every future vessel is included. But these are some that we know of.

Please provide your opinion and criticism and your own sources as well.
 

Blitzo

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128 YJ-12 missiles... in addition to the 96 VLS cells? Lol...

Dude where did you pull these vessels from? I mean we all know about the 052D and the 095, supposed 054B and 081 but they're as tangible as smoke right now.
And why would the PLAN revert to steam turbines for "051D"? The only "source" I know which mentions that is the sinodefence page which hasn't been updated in years...
Also most people think the pair of conventional carriers will have cats, so quite different to the Varyag...
 

SinoSoldier

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128 YJ-12 missiles... in addition to the 96 VLS cells? Lol...

Dude where did you pull these vessels from? I mean we all know about the 052D and the 095, supposed 054B and 081 but they're as tangible as smoke right now.

Hence the term "speculation". I've read many articles regarding such matters, US prediction charts, and some blogs by military analysts, and most of them seem to agree with the tonnage and the rough timeline. 128 YJ-12 are not "in addition" to the 96 VLS cells. Like the Arleigh Burke, it is generally believed that the Type 052D will be able to carry cruise missiles and anti ship missiles in addition to SAMs in its VLS launchers.

The South Korean destroyers can carry 128 missiles. I don't see why future PLA-N destroyers can't.

And why would the PLAN revert to steam turbines for "051D"? The only "source" I know which mentions that is the sinodefence page which hasn't been updated in years...

Funny thing is, I read the SinoDefence page after I got hold of initial talk of the Type 051D. It's from a place called Information Dissemination, which is written by a military analyst. He states that the Type 051D will be a larger version of the Type 051C, and will be built by Dalian Shipyard. He did some calculations and forecasts based on shipbuilding rates, and he predicts that the Type 052D and Type 051D should be revealed by 2013. That is pretty consistent with the 2012 prediction by other bloggers.

Also most people think the pair of conventional carriers will have cats, so quite different to the Varyag...

I have no doubt that the Type 089 will be based on the Varyag.
 

Blitzo

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Hence the term "speculation". I've read many articles regarding such matters, US prediction charts, and some blogs by military analysts, and most of them seem to agree with the tonnage and the rough timeline. 128 YJ-12 are not "in addition" to the 96 VLS cells. Like the Arleigh Burke, it is generally believed that the Type 052D will be able to carry cruise missiles and anti ship missiles in addition to SAMs in its VLS launchers.

Great, I'll hold you to that then.

The South Korean destroyers can carry 128 missiles. I don't see why future PLA-N destroyers can't.

Maybe because the chinese shipbuliding industry despite all its advances and recently being crowned number one, still doesn't have the expertise to build such a large ship, with propulsion inparticular? And you said 96 VLS... how will you fit 128 missiles into 96?

I also think more VLS cells do not equate to a better ship.

Funny thing is, I read the SinoDefence page after I got hold of initial talk of the Type 051D. It's from a place called Information Dissemination, which is written by a military analyst. He states that the Type 051D will be a larger version of the Type 051C, and will be built by Dalian Shipyard. He did some calculations and forecasts based on shipbuilding rates, and he predicts that the Type 052D and Type 051D should be revealed by 2013. That is pretty consistent with the 2012 prediction by other bloggers.

How long ago was this post and which contributor posted the article?
If the PLAN went with a larger version of the 051C... well all I can say is that it would be a waste of money.

I have no doubt that the Type 089 will be based on the Varyag.

So you think it will have ski jumps?
 

Hyperwarp

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Hence the term "speculation". I've read many articles regarding such matters, US prediction charts, and some blogs by military analysts, and most of them seem to agree with the tonnage and the rough timeline. 128 YJ-12 are not "in addition" to the 96 VLS cells. Like the Arleigh Burke, it is generally believed that the Type 052D will be able to carry cruise missiles and anti ship missiles in addition to SAMs in its VLS launchers.

The South Korean destroyers can carry 128 missiles. I don't see why future PLA-N destroyers can't.

I assume you are referring to the
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This ship has 128 VLS cells (80 Mk.41 + 48 K-VLS) to carry those 128 missile. It also has a max displacement of 11,000 tons!

128 YJ-12 missiles in 96 VLS tubes? :confused: YJ-12 is said to be some top secret supersonic antiship cruise missile. I don't expect this missile to be small. Seen how big surface launched supersonic ASCMs are?

Here is the Mk 41 to compare -
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