SamuraiBlue
Captain
Does look that way. You state you see others but continues that without Seoul there is nothing else to defend.
Tell that to the remaining 60~70% of the population that they are no worthy providing a shield.
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Does look that way. You state you see others but continues that without Seoul there is nothing else to defend.
Tell that to the remaining 60~70% of the population that they are no worthy providing a shield.
North Korea is threatening to "wipe out" the THAAD as soon as it touchs the ground. NK makes lots of threats, will they make good this one?
NK is reckless and fearless, if China and Russia jointly offer NK some support, say short range missiles to take out THAAD and air defense system such as the S400, or HQ9, NK may do it.
NK is reckless and fearless, if China and Russia jointly offer NK some support, say short range missiles to take out THAAD and air defense system such as the S400, or HQ9, NK may do it.
... yeah that isn't going to happen.
yeah, maybe you are right, today people are too cowered to stand up, so america just do whatever it likes.
what I don't understand is that what's their fear?
there're two overblown fantasies in our time: america's military might and america's economic might. america's military might has been checked out a few time in asia, korea, vietnam, afganistan, the lesson is clear: if you are determined to take sam on, he is actually not very mighty. economically I think China certainly got enough resources to start a long arm race to run america down, just like what US did to the soviet union.
antiterror13
Brigadier
Because NK has got nothing to lose (or very little), while China has a lot and a lot to lose ... thats a huge different
The more important is that :
These tests are not allowed NK do in violation of the resolutions of the UN Security Council, which explicitly prohibits the launch by North Korea's ballistic missile
And no discussion about it.
And for this year yet several tests...
The decision for deployed THAAD in SK have nothing to do with SRBM but with last test of MRBM/SLBM :
BM25 Musudan, 2500/4000 km,
KN-08/Nodong C, about 8000
KN-11, 2400/4000 SLBM
Exist also Rodong-2 1000/2000 km but available ?
Very rustic missiles for accuracy btw 1/2 km !
They have mainly right now in service SRBM about 1000 whose :
- ~ 100 miss, 30 TEL KN-02/SS-21, 70 km
- ~ 600 Hwasong 5-7, 330/900 km
- ~ 300 Rodong 1, 1300 km for few but MRBM
Warheads 500/ 1200 kg some can be nuclear, accuracy KN-02 100 m others 1-3 km !
Used by the Strategic Rocket Forces.
These tests are not allowed NK do in violation of the resolutions of the UN Security Council, which explicitly prohibits the launch by North Korea's ballistic missile
And no discussion about it.
And for this year yet several tests...
The decision for deployed THAAD in SK have nothing to do with SRBM but with last test of MRBM/SLBM :
BM25 Musudan, 2500/4000 km,
KN-08/Nodong C, about 8000
KN-11, 2400/4000 SLBM
Exist also Rodong-2 1000/2000 km but available ?
Very rustic missiles for accuracy btw 1/2 km !
They have mainly right now in service SRBM about 1000 whose :
- ~ 100 miss, 30 TEL KN-02/SS-21, 70 km
- ~ 600 Hwasong 5-7, 330/900 km
- ~ 300 Rodong 1, 1300 km for few but MRBM
Warheads 500/ 1200 kg some can be nuclear, accuracy KN-02 100 m others 1-3 km !
Used by the Strategic Rocket Forces.
You are stretching my point here. Seoul is the capital with all the critical state organ, if that city falls, the state machine falls, the resistance and defense collapse. It doesn't mean people outside are worthless. But the defense of the state is essentially over. You seems to hang on an emotional argument to insist what you think that I meant.
And you should not nitpick my words of "Seoul". I did say "and area close to". You should also remember that my original words was about "when a missile is over Seoul and still outside the atmosphere". That is why you could have picked "Seoul". If I used equivalent geographical reference on the 38 line Cheorwon, will you then argue of my "ignoring the >95%"? That will surely make your argument stronger, but a bit absurd, don't you think?
It seems to me that you just pick a word in my whole post and interprets it in your own thought and put your interpretation on my head. Yes, it does look that way, but only in your mind probably.
I made the following table to illustrate my idea. You can stop reading further if you are not interested in understanding what I was saying.
SK is small in geographical area, when I say region close to Seoul or 38 line, do you know what my definition of closeness is? And how much percentage of population there is in my mind? Here is my calculation to understand. A distance of 200km is close, it is nothing in countries like China, Russia or US, but it is huge in SK. In my statement 300km is close, that covers 73% of SK population. Apparently my last post to you mentioned 30 to 40% was way low guess. I hope you won't stick to that numbers for stretching.
SRBM is defined as less than 1000km. I give the NK the capability of 300km into SK, that means launch from 100km within NK.
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Jura The idiot
General
Another note, you apparently did not even read my provided link to do your own research, but instead took my wild guess of 30-40% to make your own 60-70% claim. See my post #337. for my research.
Now something new I will show you. This is from south Koreans, I guess you can read Korean? Regardless, you can guess by reading the numbers and circles.
Now, you must ask the South Korean government why they do not care the lives around Seuol, that is more than 20 millions.
Apparently, the South Korean government agrees with me. They did not think THAAD is necessary for Seoul and its surrounding areas which amount 20 millions and the political and economical heart of the countries. Instead, as I said, they believe PAC-3 is sufficient for that purpose.
If you care, go and search through Korean news papers or forums.
THAAD range from Seongju
US Army have 17 Patriots Bat and in more one Counter Rocket, Artillery, and Mortar Bat with Phalanx.
Also 33 GBI, 29 Alaska, 4 to Vandenberg and 14 in order for 2017.
A little unusual US Army have all SAM, USAF nothing.
Based to Ft Bliss/Texas home of the Air Defense Artillery, 11th ADA Brigade which have also 4 Patriots Bat each 24 TEL in 3 Batteries, 600 troops.
US Army have 17 Patriots Bat and in more one Counter Rocket, Artillery, and Mortar Bat with Phalanx.
Also 33 GBI, 29 Alaska, 4 to Vandenberg and 14 in order for 2017.
A little unusual US Army have all SAM, USAF nothing.
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