South Korean KAI KF-X fighter

Full scale testing rig for the KF-21’s Martin-Baker KE18A ejection seat system was shown off at FIA22.

It seems that the KF-21’s ejection seat will be apart of the aircrafts [35%] foreign sourced components not being developed or produced domestically; however the KE18A ejection seat system has been a proven system used in aircraft such as the F-35, F/A-18, and Eurofighter.

I feel sorry for the Indonesians for this huge dunk.....Not!

Indonesia : Why should we pay up for cheap ripoff of F22?

minusone said:

Indonesia : Why should we pay up for cheap ripoff of F22?

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Why not?
Good fighter all around, and of all things, cheap is only a plus for Indonesia (which often struggles to fund any significant military procurement)

Gloire_bb said:

Why not?
Good fighter all around, and of all things, cheap is only a plus for Indonesia (which often struggles to fund any significant military procurement)

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Given the low localization for crucial parts which require licensing, i doubt kf21 is cheap off the shelf (< 50mil)

minusone said:

Indonesia : Why should we pay up for cheap ripoff of F22?

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They got everything to gain.

It's a cost-effective 4.5 gen fighter which they are involved in its development and can be further developed in a 5th gen fighter without too much difficulty.

If Indonesia wants a 5th gen fighter, they'd have to make too many concessions geopolitically speaking, endure a very long delivery time or pay a huge price to buy off the shelf.

sequ said:

They got everything to gain.

It's a cost-effective 4.5 gen fighter which they are involved in its development and can be further developed in a 5th gen fighter without too much difficulty.

If Indonesia wants a 5th gen fighter, they'd have to make too many concessions geopolitically speaking, endure a very long delivery time or pay a huge price to buy off the shelf.

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Again, i doubt it's gonna be cheap. And the korean already said they will not give off the whole stuff about kf21, despite the fact the collaboration is close to a 50:50 joint venture?

I suspect this is the reason for the delay of the payment, the Indonesian aren't dumb to pay for something which they do not have the proprietary to the product and let the korean milk them like a cash cow.

minusone said:

Again, i doubt it's gonna be cheap.

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Cheaper in the long run then any other 5th gen fighter because of the production sharing.

minusone said:

despite the fact the collaboration is close to a 50:50 joint venture?

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Wrong. Its 20%.

minusone said:

I suspect this is the reason for the delay of the payment, the Indonesian aren't dumb to pay for something which they do not have the proprietary to the product and let the korean milk them like a cash cow.

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More like they lack consistency and money. Their entire armed forces is a united nations of military products.

sequ said:

Cheaper in the long run then any other 5th gen fighter because of the production sharing.


Wrong. Its 20%.


More like they lack consistency and money. Their entire armed forces is a united nations of military products.

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Indonesia certainly does not lack money, they even asked for F35 purchase LMAO.

UN of military product = lack know how to make their own, not lack of $$

UN of military product = much higher resistance for any sanctions and blackmails, very smart move.
Egypt do the same...