Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

latenlazy

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CAD maestro CaoGeng (AKA grassroot designer) confirms that he was officially invited by AVIC.

In retrospect the workmanship on the Changchun model was rough but the proportions and details were correct. The angle didn't really do it justice either.
It’s northeast China so I’m not surprised this happened that culture is very lax about protocol :p
 

Deino

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Can westerners sign up for a lt.cjdby account? Wish I could see these images of 31005


Me too, but as I read this post, there were no images leaked, only the report it was seen.

Anyway even if I can still read all posts there I cannot see any images and when trying to log-in I get a strange reply like "not allowed in your country!"
 

weig2000

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Me too, but as I read this post, there were no images leaked, only the report it was seen.

Anyway even if I can still read all posts there I cannot see any images and when trying to log-in I get a strange reply like "not allowed in your country!"

It sounds strange. I don't have any problem login from North America, without using VPN.
 

nemo

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First question -- what J-20 mockup at Changchun airshow? AFAIK we've never seen an actual J-20 mockup at any airshow. Are you talking about the FC-31 mockup at Changchun airshow instead? Or perhaps I missed something...



As for his claims....

I assume he is suggesting that the first J-XY/J-35 prototype is dubbed 31005.
But this actually raises a bigger question I've been thinking about.


What actually is the PLA designation of J-XY/J-35 going to be?

J-35 to me always seemed like it was a stand-in for the aircraft and was more a reference made by PLA watchers in relation to F-35 than what the serious name of the aircraft would end up being. If the aircraft is actually called J-35 I feel like it would be a bit on the nose.

More importantly, J-35 would be rather uncharacteristic of the PLA to skip its fighter designations from J-20 all the way to J-35. Of course, they have certainly skipped transport and bomber designations to reach Y-20 and H-20 respectively, but I feel like those were more understandable and reasonable because they were obviously seeking to have designation commonality/unity with J-20 and Z-20 etc.

But I can't see a reason why they'd skip all the way to "J-35".


The other possibility is that if the first J-XY prototype is called "31005," then could the actual eventual PLA designation of the aircraft end up being "J-31" instead? That of course would be very ironic as for many years there justifiably have not been any "J-31" but instead FC-31, yet would then be followed by there being a "J-31".
However at the same time going from J-20 to J-31 is quite a large skip as well.
That said, if the actual first J-XY prototype is called "31005" (assuming this guy isn't lying), then that is the only way in which the prototype serial number designation would make sense.



Personally, as far as continuity of designations go, I think that the name for J-XY might most "logically" be called "J-21" as the most likely name, or "J-25" as the second most likely name.
"J-21" because it follows naturally on from J-20. It seems like a no brainer for me, and the PLA has of course been happy to continue from J-10 to J-11 in the past.
"J-25" is a distant second, and would be chosen as J-XY would be a carrier based fighter and be ten ahead of "J-15". But as I said, this one seems less likely to me.


In other words, I wonder if the guy's claims is true or if he's assuming the first J-XY prototype is "31005".
If the actual PLA designation of J-XY is "J-21" instead, I would expect the first prototype to have a s/n of "21001".


Either way, I would just find it really remarkable if the PLA really skip all the way to J-3X designations for the J-XY, as I would have assumed they would be keeping the J-3X designations free for their 6th gen aircraft instead.
personally, I think FC-31 is actually FC-3-1 or FC-3-I (Roman numeral 1), i.e. first model of FC-3. Which make sense when you consider FC-1 is Pakistani JF-17 and FC-2 is export J-10.
 

Deino

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personally, I think FC-31 is actually FC-3-1 or FC-3-I (Roman numeral 1), i.e. first model of FC-3. Which make sense when you consider FC-1 is Pakistani JF-17 and FC-2 is export J-10.

Wow!! :oops: ... I must admit I haven't anything similar but it makes sense!
 

nemo

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Export J-10 was known as FC-20, not FC-2 afaik....

That said it's an interesting theory
I remember someone posted a commemorative item for Type 092 submarine, referring it as Type 09-II (Roman numeral 2).
And J-8 sub-types are J8-I and J8-II (Roman numerals 1 and 2). So there are some basis for suspecting FCs uses the same naming convention.

And the follow on for conventional submarine Type 039 would be Type 0310 or 03X (Roman numeral 10) according to this naming convention.
 

Akame

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Isn't the inside of the J-31 body smaller than the F-35? As far as I know, it can carry 4 Air-Air Missiles. Will the interior of the hull be enlarged in the new J-31/35?
 
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