Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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Air Force Brat said:
Heh!, Heh!, Heh!, I've found your post very informative and sincere, I would add however, that the Chinese are limited by the laws of aerodynamics like everyone else.
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Ho Ho Ho, Hee Hee Hee, Ha Ha Ha! I found your post very imaginative and hopeful, but what "laws of aerodynamics" are those? You keep using that term; I don't think you know what it means, because "Chinese aircraft can't be better than American ones because they both have to follow laws of aerodynamics" is not a sentence that makes logical sense.

Air Force Brat said:
To propose that Shenyang's first flying "5th generation" fighter would "beat" the F-35 which is genetically the "little sister" of the F-22 is rather more wishful thinking than reality!
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To imply that laws which apply to both as a reason for one being unable to overtake the other, especially when later-comer advantage is already observed in some areas, is clearly wishful thinking and not reality.
 
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Just4Fun

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Air Force Brat said:
Heh!, Heh!, Heh!, I've found your post very informative and sincere, I would add however, that the Chinese are limited by the laws of aerodynamics like everyone else. To propose that Shenyang's first flying "5th generation" fighter would "beat" the F-35 which is genetically the "little sister" of the F-22 is rather more wishful thinking than reality.

To insist that it would be "meaningless" to build it unless it was "superior" to the F-35 is short sighted, you've got to crawl before you can stand on your two feet and "toddle", then as you "toddle" along, you become better and stronger and eventually you "walk", and after walking a while, you get better at that, and then you can "run".

So you must learn to crawl first, lol, really, that's the way real life works!
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Air Force Brat said:
To propose that Shenyang's first flying "5th generation" fighter would "beat" the F-35 which is genetically the "little sister" of the F-22 is rather more wishful thinking than reality.
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First, I don't know how good F-22 really is and how good F-35 really is, and I don't want to get into this topic. But I do remember a report of last year regarding a mock fight btwn an F-22 and a Su-35 in Syria. The F-22 was allegedly radar-locked by the Su-35. Although the account is not verified by third party, I think it is quite possible because the Su-35 pilot applied a tactics that maximized Su-35's strength in the fight. In other wards, how good a weapon really is in a real war situation is not completely determined by the people who design and make it, but also determined by the people who use it. Back to the J-31 program, I think it is not only a "possible", but also a "must" that it must be able to fight and beat the F-35 when it is used by PLANAF. In general, I am not a believer of US weaponry superiority. I think Vietnam Air Force, which was trained by PLAAF during the Vietnam war, has more to say about USAF superiority in the air war in Northern Vietnam sky, if PLAAF's scores against USAF during the Korean war are not convincing.

Second, I do believe that Boeing knows more about "aerodynamics" than COMAC. But knowing aerodynamics is one thing, respecting it is another. And it is not related to your ability to walk. I don't believe COMAC the Toddle would keep upgrading engines on a fifty years old air-frame without going through due "aerodynamics" analysis. Anyone with rudimentary knowledge about aerodynamics would like to see the 737 go through a full spectrum aerodynamic analysis once new power plants, that were larger in size, more powerful in thrust, were used, but aerodynamics expert Boeing apparently disagreed. Would you fly on the 737 Max-8 after Boeing tells you its MCAS has be upgraded, thus it is airworthy?
 
Brumby

Brumby

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Zong-zhi is celebrated during the 5th lunar month for a reason. Dumpling is a sacrificial food item to prevent bad omen. Having to describe the J-31 in dumpling terms is scrapping the barrel on facts because as is there is no product to discuss.
 
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t2contra said:
It was a short off-topic. Off topic discussions happen all the time and everyone here has committed one time or another. If you were not happy, you could have reported.
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It is not a case of whether I am happy or not. When you have to resort to discuss a subject in dumpling terms, you are seriously short on facts. The reason you are deficit on facts is because there is no product to discuss - period.
 
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