Self Propelled Gun/Rocket Launcher


sinophilia

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Yes indeed. The images I posted were video screen captures re-shared by a Weibo user. According to the red annotations in the images, the target was a moving boat. I took his word for it because 1) both the Weibo poster and the originator of the images are not known to be untrustworthy, and 2) I assumed the originator had watched the complete video – which I do not have access to in order to independently verify – and understood what he was looking at.

I will independently verify with my own eyes once I find the complete, high quality video. It might a moving target boat, but the quality of the animated GIF is too low to call it definitively.

Did you ever find out anything about the video or the nature of this test?

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Orthan

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A clear view of the new 155mm self-propelled howitzer. A different chassis with seven road wheels on each side. Different turret geometry from the PLZ-05.
The turret geometry is slightly different from PLZ-05, but the new chassis seems more stable. I wonder if PLZ-05 suffers from stabilization (or other performance) problems. It was introduced in 2007 and now they are introducing a replacement?
 

by78

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The turret geometry is slightly different from PLZ-05, but the new chassis seems more stable. I wonder if PLZ-05 suffers from stabilization (or other performance) problems. It was introduced in 2007 and now they are introducing a replacement?

I always thought the chassis for the PLZ-05 was under-sized, with an insufficient number of road wheels and likely an inadequate suspension. If I recall correctly, that chassis was based on that of an APC. This new chassis looks to be much improved and should prove more stable.
 

by78

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New self-propelled rockets have been spotted (red arrows). Each truck carries a total of eight rockets (two boxes of four rockets each). These rockets are allegedly 370mm in diameter.


 

dankris

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I always thought the chassis for the PLZ-05 was under-sized, with an insufficient number of road wheels and likely an inadequate suspension. If I recall correctly, that chassis was based on that of an APC. This new chassis looks to be much improved and should prove more stable.

I think the best guess for the new chassis is an adaptation of ZBD-04A, one that is lengthened to increased stability and has a lower hull roof because no infantry anyway.

The old chassis though looks to be purpose-built and is also being used on PGZ-09, probably for commonality. In the end, PLA probably decided it's time to update the internals of the turret and at the same time change the chassis to a more stable one.
 

supersnoop

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I think the best guess for the new chassis is an adaptation of ZBD-04A, one that is lengthened to increased stability and has a lower hull roof because no infantry anyway.

The old chassis though looks to be purpose-built and is also being used on PGZ-09, probably for commonality. In the end, PLA probably decided it's time to update the internals of the turret and at the same time change the chassis to a more stable one.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but PLZ-05 chassis is generally the same as the PLZ-45 right?
PLZ-45 had 39 cal gun, so the longer barrel would naturally lead to the chassis seeming undersized.

The turret geometry is slightly different from PLZ-05, but the new chassis seems more stable. I wonder if PLZ-05 suffers from stabilization (or other performance) problems. It was introduced in 2007 and now they are introducing a replacement?
My own opinion here. I don't think it is indicative of huge problems necessarily. I think PLA is always willing to take improved models more quickly than most other armies since there is so much old equipment that is basically junk. Good (unrelated) example are the 052 series destroyers. 052B is basically an orphan, but they built them anyway.
 

dankris

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but PLZ-05 chassis is generally the same as the PLZ-45 right?
PLZ-45 had 39 cal gun, so the longer barrel would naturally lead to the chassis seeming undersized.
I think so, yeah, with some minor differences I think. One point though, PLZ-45 has a 45 cal barrel from which it gets the '45' in its name. Its successor in the export market, PLZ-52, has 52 cal barrel.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Now this artillery is powerful with extended range that can cover most of western Taiwan while it only cost 1/3rd of ballistic missile . New improved and faster loading, highly precise targeting and mobile. Sound like ideal weapon to soften up target in west Taiwan where most of cities and military installation are located. It is already operational with 72nd brigade in Xiamen Fujian province

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China’s military gives glimpse of updated long-range rocket system​

  • Social media images show a new configuration of launchers on trucks as a backdrop to training drills
  • The system enables the PLA Ground Force to hit strategic targets with precision fire anywhere on the Taiwanese west coast

The People’s Liberation Army marked the start of the new year by revealing a new variant of the powerful rockets it has targeting
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The PCL-191 long-range multiple launch rocket system (MLRS), capable of firing 370mm rockets 350km (217 miles) or 750mm ballistic missiles 500km, was seen in the background of the year-opening training session of an artillery brigade in the southern province of Guangdong, according to photos published on the 74th Group Army’s official social media account.

It was the first public display of the updated weapon, one of the world’s most powerful of its kind, since its
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. The demonstration followed the purchase by Taiwan of a truck-based MLRS with a comparable range from the United States in October.

The PCL-191 that appeared in Monday’s photos has a different fire load than previously seen in public, with 10 300mm rocket launchers in two five-pack containers, instead of the eight 370mm launchers in two four-packs viewed on the original version that rumbled through Tiananmen Square on the back of heavy trucks
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It had been reported that PCL-191 units were first assigned to the 72nd Group Army under the Eastern Theatre Command and deployed in Xiamen in southeastern Fujian province, the nearest point on China’s mainland to Taiwan-controlled territories.

Meanwhile, the 74th is under the Southern Theatre Command, which would also be part of a
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with a focus on the southern part of the island.
Images posted to social media show the PCL-191 – pictured behind the troops – in the first public display since its debut in 2019. Photo: Weibo

Images posted to social media show the PCL-191 – pictured behind the troops – in the first public display since its debut in 2019. Photo: Weibo

Beijing considers Taiwan a breakaway province and has vowed to reunite it with the mainland, by force if necessary. Tensions across the Taiwan Strait have intensified significantly in recent years, particularly against a backdrop of the rapidly deteriorating
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and, by contrast, bolstered ties between Washington and Taipei.

The PCL-191 enables the PLA Ground Force to cover all strategic targets with precision fire anywhere on the Taiwanese west coast. And Taiwan could strike the southeast coast of the mainland when the HIMARS launchers are delivered.

The PCL-191 has adopted some of the world’s leading technologies to improve its range, precision and explosive power. Compared to Taiwan’s US-imported MLRS there are advantages in both range and quantity, according to Hong Kong military commentator Song Zhongping.
“HIMARS could only pose some limited threat to the PLA. And if military action was to be taken, the first wave of strikes would aim to eliminate them,” Song said.

The PCL-191s are mounted on 45-tonne trucks. The design is modular, based products such as the AR-3 system developed by China for the export market. Compared to earlier PLA MRLS such as PHL-03, the automatic loading system on the PCL-191 has a faster loading time – down from 1 hour to 10 minutes – and needs only three operating crew rather than four.
 

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