Sad ending of a great empire

Blackstone

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Scotland's referendum on dissolving the union with England is slated for September 18 of this year, and polls say the measure will probably pass. If so, then it's a sad ending to "the empire on which the sun never sets," as the last piece of one of the greatest empires in human history evaporates before our eyes.

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LATER THIS year, the United Kingdom could disunite. In September, Scotland is due to vote on whether to become an independent nation. There is a strong chance that the Scots will vote to go it alone, breaking a political union with England that was established over three hundred years ago, through the Act of Union of 1707. The Scots number only 5.3 million of the United Kingdom’s population of 63.7 million. But Scotland accounts for a large amount of Britain’s territory and coastline—and contains several of the nation’s finest universities, castles and golf courses. Moreover, Scotland is also where Britain’s nuclear weapons are based, and the country’s (dwindling) oil supplies are almost all located in Scotland’s coastal waters.
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The British managed to absorb the loss of the American colonies, the independence of Ireland and the independence of India—and still retained a strong sense of their own identity and greatness as a nation. If it came to it, they would absorb the independence of Scotland without too much fuss.
 

Equation

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Scotland's referendum on dissolving the union with England is slated for September 18 of this year, and polls say the measure will probably pass. If so, then it's a sad ending to "the empire on which the sun never sets," as the last piece of one of the greatest empires in human history evaporates before our eyes.

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Do you know if overseas Scotts get to vote on the referendum as well?
 

delft

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I read little more than the first page but on that first page Gideon Rachman showed himself to be ignorant of the older history. When James VI of Scotland became James I of England the common name the spin doctors chose was Great Britain. It became the United Kingdom when, after the failed insurrection by Protestant Irish nationalists at the very end of the 18th century, in 1800 Ireland was included in the kingdom.
 

Blackstone

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Do you know if overseas Scotts get to vote on the referendum as well?

According to the BBC, only those living in Scotland get to vote, not those overseas.

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Who gets to vote?
Essentially, everyone over the age of 16 who lives in Scotland.

The voter "franchise", as it's known, is largely the same as for a Scottish Parliament and council elections, with the addition of lowering the voting age from 18.

That means the 800,000 Scots who live in other parts of the UK don't get a vote, while the 400,000 people from elsewhere in Britain who live in Scotland do.

All the main players on both sides of the debate agree this is the fairest way to do things.
 

SampanViking

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According to the BBC, only those living in Scotland get to vote, not those overseas.

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Or indeed the rest of the UK, who are the other party in the possible divorce.
Funnily enough though (or ironically if you prefer) if I could vote, I would vote in favour.
Scotland out the UK and the UK out of the EU, might just cure us of out post imperial pretensions and actually concentrate on dealing with reality rather than overblown pipe dreams.

This "punching above our weight" nonsense simply means wasting resources for the sake of hubris and being the willing useful fools for the purposes of others.
 

delft

Brigadier
An addition to #3
The style of the United Kingdom was:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
which became after the independence of the Irish republic:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
After Scottish independence this would become:
The United Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland.
So the United Kingdom would remain but Great Britain would disappear.
 

Dizasta1

Senior Member
You forgot United Kingdom of England, WALES & Northern Ireland ...... If there is no Scotland in the UK anymore!
 
Honestly some people may see it so bad, but actually sometimes these disintegration isn't really a bad thing. In academics we talked about how many states today are built upon the integration of multiple nations, so for them to find self-determination and disintegrate may not be so bad and is sometimes considered a post-modernist era trend.
 

no_name

Colonel
I found a good video on youtube that explained the different terms used.

[video=youtube;rNu8XDBSn10]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10[/video]

This guy also have a bunch of other interesting videos on youtube.
 
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