Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

defenceman

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No weapons contracts were signed in the latest Putin visit to India, not even new S400 or S500 contracts. Very low key visit focussing on trade only.
Hi,
from now on like Pakistan they will also keep a low profile to sign anything with Russia, as Russian
might have ask india not to chest thumb anything before they have it with them. Russians don’t want
to be in limelight against the USA pressure etc etc for S400 Indian need to replace their out of order
batteries etc struck by PAF so those will come but not been revealed
thank you
 

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⚡️The Su-57 aircraft took to the sky for the first time with a promising fifth-generation engine "Product 177"

Specialists of the United Aircraft Corporation and the United Engine Corporation (part of the Rostec State Corporation) have begun flight tests of the "Product 177" engine as part of the fifth-generation Su-57 aircraft complex.</b>
⭐️The aircraft was lifted into the sky by the Honored Test Pilot of Russia, Roman Kondratiev. The flight proceeded normally in accordance with the flight mission requirements.

“The Su-57 has excellently proven itself in real combat conditions and confirmed that it meets the requirements for fifth-generation aircraft complexes, including in terms of stealth characteristics. The aircraft is naturally attracting great interest from foreign customers, and its export deliveries are already underway. At the same time, the Su-57 continues to be modernized taking into account the experience of its use in the Special Military Operation zone: the capabilities of its armament and onboard systems are being expanded. The new engine - "Product 177" - with increased thrust will further enhance its flight characteristics and provide a significant basis for further improvement of the aircraft,” said Rostec.

The multifunctional frontline aviation complex Su-57 was created to solve a wide range of combat tasks. It is capable of hitting air, ground, and sea targets. The aircraft can operate around the clock, including in difficult weather conditions and in a complex jamming environment. Its low visibility allows it to destroy targets even in the face of modern air defense systems.

“Today, the Su-57 is the most advanced fifth-generation fighter. Despite this, we are not resting on our laurels, and the Su-57 platform is undergoing evolutionary development to enhance its combat capabilities and incorporate the most modern technologies. The solutions incorporated into the Su-57 platform allow it to respond to any modern challenges through the rapid integration of the required technologies at each stage of development,” said Mikhail Strelts, Director of the Sukhoi Design Bureau of the United Aircraft Corporation.

The promising engine "Product 177" was created by the United Engine Corporation for use in fifth-generation aircraft complexes. The latest engine has a thrust of 16,000 kgf in afterburner mode. The new engine also has reduced fuel consumption at all modes and increased resource indicators.

“The fifth-generation aircraft engine 'Product 177' is a cutting-edge development of the United Engine Corporation for operational-tactical aircraft. The latest technologies and materials, innovative design solutions have allowed the UEC to create an engine with significantly improved technical characteristics compared to the previous generation of power units. The first test flight marked the beginning of joint work with colleagues from the United Aircraft Corporation on flight tests of the Su-57 with the latest engine. During the flight, the new engine operated normally and demonstrated reliable operation as part of the Su-57 aircraft,” noted Yevgeny Marchukov, General Designer - Director of the A. Lulka Design Bureau, a branch of PJSC 'UEC - UMPO' of the United Engine Corporation.

✈️The United Aircraft Corporation is currently implementing a program to expand its production capacities. This will allow to increase the volume of deliveries of the fighter to the troops, as well as actively offer the Su-57 for export to foreign customers. A wide cooperation of Rostec enterprises is involved in the production of the aircraft.
 

Gloire_bb

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Export engine for the Su-57E and replacement for existing Al-31 frames, according to the Sukhoi guy.
I really, really doubt su-57 won't be exported with AL-51F.
I.e. it's rather securing path forward for Su-57Es which will be built before "ME".
 

sunnymaxi

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Hasn't it flown with the 117S a bunch of times already?
117S is advanced AL-41F1S engine so i think it has flown with this engine already.

this 177S is the fusion of AL-31/AL-41 with technologies borrowed from AL-51 also comes with same dimension so easy to replace older AL series in any SU aircraft. MTBO and service life of this 177S is more than any existing Russian Engine.

the real deal is AL-51 which is not for export. this make sense
 

CasualObserver

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117S is advanced AL-41F1S engine so i think it has flown with this engine already.

this 177S is the fusion of AL-31/AL-41 with technologies borrowed from AL-51 also comes with same dimension so easy to replace older AL series in any SU aircraft. MTBO and service life of this 177S is more than any existing Russian Engine.

the real deal is AL-51 which is not for export. this make sense
I know about it borrowing tech from the -51; what I mean is this:

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Back then (~2021?), we thought the left engine was the 51, although we now know it was a different engine. However, the ring and the nozzle are the same as on the 117S.

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mack8

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There is probably some confusion going on, Izd.30 is AL-51F. That the Izd.177 has a similar nozzle might be because it borrows from Izd.30 tech.
 

sunnymaxi

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I know about it borrowing tech from the -51; what I mean is this:

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Back then (~2021?), we thought the left engine was the 51, although we now know it was a different engine. However, the ring and the nozzle are the same as on the 117S.

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i think that 2021 pic should be AL-51 but with 177S nozzle, later on they put the same nozzle on newly developed 177S as AL-51 switched to hexagonal nozzle.

177S was first publicly introduced last year at Zhuhai air show.
 
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