Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)


panzerfeist1

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You do understand what an RFP is right? This is literally just the Russian Military saying "These sre the parameters we want".

I also have no clue what you're trying to say to justify how 12 2.5x0.207 missiles can fit in a bay of size 4.6x1.

Yup the purchase orders from the Tula missile corporation have confirmed the missile designs and their requirements.

1.5 meters is the payload length according to source which than leaves the ramjet and rocket booster accounting for 1 meter meaning with the warhead and the ramjet it accounts for a 130mm 2.5 meter length since they have called it a ramjet sustainer assuming the sustainer is the same size as the 100km hermes. If so two additional missiles can be moved 1 meter forward to fit in with 4 130mm which is why I am asking for confirmation if this can happen.
 

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"The first serial Su-57 is used for testing hypersonic weapons

The development is carried out by the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation, a source in the military-industrial complex said.

MOSCOW, December 25. / TASS /. The first production Su-57 fighter will be used at the State Flight Test Center (GLITS) in Akhtubinsk for testing hypersonic aircraft weapons. A source in the military-industrial complex told TASS on Friday.

"The first serial Su-57 entered the GLITs at the end of November. It will be used to test the latest aviation hypersonic weapons," the agency's source said.

The development of fundamentally new aircraft weapons is being carried out by the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation."
 

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"The first serial Su-57 is used for testing hypersonic weapons

The development is carried out by the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation, a source in the military-industrial complex said.

MOSCOW, December 25. / TASS /. The first production Su-57 fighter will be used at the State Flight Test Center (GLITS) in Akhtubinsk for testing hypersonic aircraft weapons. A source in the military-industrial complex told TASS on Friday.

"The first serial Su-57 entered the GLITs at the end of November. It will be used to test the latest aviation hypersonic weapons," the agency's source said.

The development of fundamentally new aircraft weapons is being carried out by the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation."


Oh come please! Do not post any hyped Russian news report and take them for gold as in the Secret Projects Forum ... do you really believe the RuAF will use the first serial airframe of a most long expected stealth fighter for test of a new secret Hypersonic weapon instead of preparing it for frontline use, training pilots and ground crews and writing manuals for the RuAF. Even more since such a secret hypersonic weapon could be tested at first much more practically and economically from any random other type....
 

silentlurker

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Oh come please! Do not post any hyped Russian news report and take them for gold as in the Secret Projects Forum ... do you really believe the RuAF will use the first serial airframe of a most long expected stealth fighter for test of a new secret Hypersonic weapon instead of preparing it for frontline use, training pilots and ground crews and writing manuals for the RuAF. Even more since such a secret hypersonic weapon could be tested at first much more practically and economically from any random other type....
Integration testing with Su-57 internal weapons bay maybe? I've heard launching from internal bays is actually pretty complicated
 

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Integration testing with Su-57 internal weapons bay maybe? I've heard launching from internal bays is actually pretty complicated


But do you really take the single available aircraft for testing a new and also yet unproven design? That's plain ridiculous!

First, there is so far not such a weapon available and if, you won't test it immediately from the Su-57 but from a Flanker or whatever and even then the first aim is to bring this type as a fighter combat-ready and not as a striker.
 

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Oh come please! Do not post any hyped Russian news report and take them for gold as in the Secret Projects Forum ... do you really believe the RuAF will use the first serial airframe of a most long expected stealth fighter for test of a new secret Hypersonic weapon instead of preparing it for frontline use, training pilots and ground crews and writing manuals for the RuAF. Even more since such a secret hypersonic weapon could be tested at first much more practically and economically from any random other type....
Yes, of course, we haven't heard anything similar from USA or Chines military sources.
It is definitively special Russian thing to overhype seriously underperforming weapon systems, and make ungrounded claims.


And doesn't need to hype this that much , hypersonic missile means that it can reach 2km/sec max speed, the launch of it needs only altitude, nothing else .

The rocket engine needs new nozzle, and the solid propellant different geometry or faster burning.
 
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panzerfeist1

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Oh come please! Do not post any hyped Russian news report and take them for gold as in the Secret Projects Forum ... do you really believe the RuAF will use the first serial airframe of a most long expected stealth fighter for test of a new secret Hypersonic weapon instead of preparing it for frontline use, training pilots and ground crews and writing manuals for the RuAF. Even more since such a secret hypersonic weapon could be tested at first much more practically and economically from any random other type....

Yeah I remember I received some beef from the other moderator and admin on the Hermes and the internal hypersonic missile claim and I doubt that mentioning the Klevok-D2 over there would make my situation any better. AFAIK Borisov back in 2018 has stated their will be 6 newer missiles received for the Su-57 in 2020, than we receive a news report from 10 days ago that these missiles will be ready in 2021, along with the claim that they are made from scratch which suggests they are fundamentally new design. I take it that the K-77M and K-77ME are at least 2 of the 6 new missiles.

I will just stop posting reports of Su-57 hypersonic air to ground missiles here. But if they do physically show the missile or give it a name for the Su-57 would you allow me to post it here? the MAKS 2021 is without a doubt going to possibly be a great airshow which might dive into details about the 2nd variant Su-57 regarding new avionics, engines and of course weapons than some news about the PAK-DA.
 

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