Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

A Bar Brother

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Missiles exists, but they are not yet fully operational and certified with PAK FA . As far as I know, they plan to complete them in 2016. So, any delay will cause delay in PAK FA program .

I thought you were talking about prototypes for testing. It is well known that some of the internal carriage weapons are ready and some will be ready by 2016, and some will come well after 2016.

The Kh-38 for example is production ready. The Kh-31AD and Kh-58UShK are also apparently production ready.

All we know about the internal bays is that it is bigger than the ones on the F-22.
 

Deino

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I thought you were talking about prototypes for testing. It is well known that some of the internal carriage weapons are ready and some will be ready by 2016, and some will come well after 2016.

The Kh-38 for example is production ready. The Kh-31AD and Kh-58UShK are also apparently production ready.

All we know about the internal bays is that it is bigger than the ones on the F-22.


Do You have images of real missiles ?? ... what I found so far were all only mock-ups and models (even on the manufactor's HP
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By the way this seems to be quite interesting:


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Deino

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Here a BING-translation ... for a while that link was dead:


Russia and India have agreed on the shape oft he fighter FGFA

Russia and India have agreed on the preliminary design of thefifth-generation fighter FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft), which is the export version of the T-50 PAK-FA.

According to the Indian media with reference to the Regional Director on international cooperation of theUnited aircraft Corporation (UAC)Andrei Maršankina, currently already have documentation on the next stage of the design,as well as the understanding of the magnitude of future production.

The Indian air force, the representative said the KLA still insist on double performance of the cockpit of the plane while the T-50 is operated by one pilot. It is a sketch which configuration was adopted.

Previously some experts assumed that the foreign party has refused to release the two pilots, as the Indian Government has invested about a billion US dollars, to speed up the process. Aero India air show in 2013, was FGFA with a single mock-up cabin. Russian-Indian aircraft production should start in the year 2020. India plans to buy about 140 fifth-generation fighter planes worth over 30 billion US dollars.

FGFA (in India it classifies as "promising multi-role fighter"-Perspective Multi-Role Fighter-PMF) is one of two major aircraft projects currently being undertaken by Russia and India. The second joint development-transport MTA. Both programs have small time delays associated with the decision problems of a technical nature. In September last year FGFA questions were resolved.

Timur Alimov


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b787

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YES for sure, but to assume that a video on show at the 27. Dec. was actually filmed only a few days ago and from this alone to assume or to be sure that 055 was flying at around December is IMO a much more unlikely option that the assume it shows simply 055 during better days in its life. Anyway yes only an opinion, but IMO a much more likely one.

Maybe someone knows from what flight these images are (IMO the ones at around 46:xx are from 055's maiden flight).

Deino
there is video of bort 55 flying at 36:50 over a village after the medical test of the Sukhois test Pilot Taran. (can we date the video footage? no we can not because Bort 55 has pictures since November 2013 )
you can keep your opinion, i do not agree with it because there are pictures of bort 55 from June 10th 2014 before the accident, and Sukhoi it self gave the news of the accident thus they were honest about it so i have confidence their statement reflects the truth
 

Air Force Brat

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there is video of bort 55 flying at 36:50 over a village after the medical test of the Sukhois test Pilot Taran. (can we date the video footage? no we can not because Bort 55 has pictures since November 2013 )
you can keep your opinion, i do not agree with it because there are pictures of bort 55 from June 10th 2014 before the accident, and Sukhoi it self gave the news of the accident thus they were honest about it so i have confidence their statement reflects the truth

This is obviously important to you, so are you trying to defend Sukhoi, T-50, your own viewpoint???, and let me say I am very sorry that our pessimistic assessment seems to have been taken against any of the above. You have much to be encouraged about with PAK-FA, it is coming along nicely, it is gorgeous, and it promises to be a very high performance fighter aircraft, yes I do own a 1/100th scale model of PAK-FA, and the J-20, because I like them both a great deal, and you are obviously a fan, as am I.

I can't begin to tell you how disappointed and angry that I was/am that the F-22 was discontinued, but I am thankful to have 184 copies left, and if I myself have added to your angst, I am truly sorry. Obviously we both are very interested in aircraft and flying, and love the Boeing and your Avatar. I really think things are looking up for the T-50,,, and if I were Sukhoi, I can assure you I would pull one of the other prototype center section fuselages out of the que, and take the salvageable bits and rebuild -05, and if they do that, they will call it 05, no harm no foul. No, I don't work for Sukhoi, but I have handled and given a general hands on walk-around of a couple of Mig-29s, in fact if you want a Mig-29UB, I will be more than happy to facilitate your contact with the owner??? really, I will!

I am very familiar with aluminum, titanium, and carbonfibre, also familiar with the bonding process as there are many aluminum/carbon fibre bicycle frames, and yes they do get dinged, bent, and even broken, even repairing a carbon fiber bike frame is an intricate process, as the multiple layers must be bonded together, and pressure applied to facilitate a clean resin/fibre bond free of voids, many people discard and refuse to ride their bikes if they get dinged through a couple of layers, as they may fail catastrophically. I still ride my old Cannondale R700 aluminum without fear, but I maintain it very carefully. On a larger note, I spent lot of evenings and Saturdays at Klems Aero Repair, I saw lots of dinged airplanes, wood and tube, aluminum, and a few fiberglass homebuilts,,,,we repaired them all,,, we also had a scrap pile, for the stuff that was unrepairable, over the years, I couldn't believe some of the stuff we repaired, and some of the equally kool stuff we discarded????
 

Brumby

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This is obviously important to you, so are you trying to defend Sukhoi, T-50, your own viewpoint???, and let me say I am very sorry that our pessimistic assessment seems to have been taken against any of the above. You have much to be encouraged about with PAK-FA, it is coming along nicely, it is gorgeous, and it promises to be a very high performance fighter aircraft, yes I do own a 1/100th scale model of PAK-FA, and the J-20, because I like them both a great deal, and you are obviously a fan, as am I.

Have you run out of space to house the scale models? I gave up mine long time ago as they don't sit well the other half and a growing family.
 

b787

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This is obviously important to you, so are you trying to defend Sukhoi, T-50, your own viewpoint???,
No it is not, there is a difference between an official statement and an opinion. only that, you can keep your opinion, but until an official statement is released about bort 55 being officially written off, rivers of ink can flow but they will not really mean anything unless it is officially confirmed as written off
 

Air Force Brat

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Have you run out of space to house the scale models? I gave up mine long time ago as they don't sit well the other half and a growing family.[/QUOTE

Yes, I have, my little shelf behind my dresser is full, 16 or so small die-cast models in various states of repair, two motorcycle models a Ducati 916 and and a Suzukie GSXR-1000, a match box NASA Semi-Truck with a mobile launcher, a remote Heli, three Road Bikes, two are hers????two gun cases??? two compound bows, and one Craftsman Roll-Cab, so yeah, I'm always in trouble, but am hoping to celebrate our 21st anniversary soon----end off topic! oh and the two aforementioned prizes. This collection started with my grandsons, who like to play with them!
Not to mention my two Cox Spitfires and spares in the top of my closet????

Now back to the PAK-FA, unauthorized, undocumented, clandestine, and top-secret official AFB rat-at-tat-tat, on the fabulous PAK-FA??? So the PAK-FA is a very unique aircraft, and according to Sukhoi, they have increased the percentage of carbon fibre in a bid to reduce baseline RCS, and save weight, the PAK-FA has lots of control authority as does the F-22 and J-20, so it is a very neat airplane, and does stick to one of the initial tenets of 5th gen, which super-maneuverability and is aiming to super-cruise, so B787 I would say your pet airplane is coming along very well???
 

b787

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Air Force Brat, i love many aircraft, P-51, F4U Corsair, Ar-234, He-177, F-16, F-15, Tu-22M, and many others like F-14 or F-18, but as a Christian i love only civil aircraft, and the military toys just for their speed and agility, but like POPEYE, Christ and peace is first, so i can say PAKFA is only one of many cool jets i like, but i hate war.

I find B787 or E-190 more beautiful as peaceful machines, i see warplanes more like sport cars rather than weapons of war.

But yes PAKFA seems to be on schedule.
 
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