What makes planes like F-35 so capable despite possible deficiencies in kinematic performance, is in its classified electronics, sensors, and software. Those things make a platform so much greater than two extra missiles. We don't know much about any of these new fighters so let's not pretend anyone's an expert. I don't think i've done that. Su-57 could be a terrible lemon of a plane and there's more evidence pointing towards that than su-57 being an f-22 killer. It seems to be more of a stop gap and tech tester for RuAF than anything because they have reduced orders. Same with IAF. I am sure russians are more than capable of making something that matches or surpasses f-22, f-35, and j-20. Have they actually achieved that, we'll probably never know with certainty. I just can't see this plane being VLO even if VLO is close to pointless and increasingly so. And even when it is, it can't carry as much as the F-22.
Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)
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Amazing unrivaled subsonic, low altitude abilities. This is why PLAAF loves the flanker so much. I wonder how well it performs in at high altitude, high subsonic and transonic speeds. No flanker user has ever commented or demonstrated that. NATO pilots insist the flanker and fulcrum are no match for their planes in those regions.
Come on !!! If You still do not believe us here, then do a bit of research on Your own. Such reliable and trusted members at the Secret Projects Forum like Berkut/Flanker or Flateric have confirmed this more than once. Do do us a favour ... leave this constant denial.
None of us has an image but that does not mean there is no bay. Period.
Deino
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I'm with Deino and most people on this one. All the talk of them being missile bays over the years and Russia has never said no they arent. They would have squashed the false rumor to prevent future disappointment and bitchin later. If they arent for missiles Russia would say what they are for. They tell us whats in the stinger and where ECM bits are located. I think the shortfall in funding has prevented them from being tested and sorted out so they dont show them. It not necessary to have them working at this stage of the program and budget goes to priority items. Give it time, lets wait and see
b787
Captain
I agree there are no pictures but most Russian sources say the have them, but let us suppose it has only 2, it still will carry short range AAM.
So we can not conclude any thing, time will tell, but i can tell you for sure they control flow to reduce lift losses
Here RIA Novosti claimed in 2012 it it only had 2 weapon bays, not 4 weapon bays as mostly assumed by most sources
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It is possible that the side-bays are weapons-pods instead of full-blown bays.
Jura The idiot
General
LOL PAKFA (OK Su-57) without functional internal weapon bays, that would be what lemon looks and smells like
That's what i've been saying this whole time. Just because there's no evidence of a side bay, doesn't mean there isn't one. I've been trying to see if anyone on this forum has official confirmation from Sukhoi. Could easily say no and that's all. I didn't want the same old fanboy posters. I've done enough of my own research elsewhere with no results hence my asking over here.
Ok, but at least in this way I understand Your posts, You are not asking for an official confirmation in order to get one but since You still deny this side-bay and as long You don't get anything official You will continue to deny.
but that's not the way it goes ... at least not for many Russian and Chinese things:
Fact is that for several things we do not have an official confirmation. For example the J-10 in its early days was constantly denied even while we knew several prototypes at CAC, we had images and even pre-serials ready for delivery. So, was this type in fact not existent ?? Surely not.
The same is now with the H-X bomber.
You surely will argue for the J-10 we at least had images ... YES; but for the T50's side bay even if we don't have images, we have more than enough reports, documents and so on from reliable posters.
At least for me this is proof enough.
Anyway ... time will tell,
Deino