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Tam

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Similar to China's decade-long artillery rotation campaign against northern Vietnam?

What's more similar is the Chinese artillery and diversionary tactics are Soviet textbook. We are seeing similar tactics being used in Ukraine. The Russians use diversionary offensives to lure the Ukrainians out of their defensive positions into doing counterattacks. Then the artillery would shell them. Now we have drones, and drones guiding artillery and indirect tank fire.
 

Tam

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Russia has developed the "Lovets" mobile anti-aircraft system to combat UAVs. The "Lovets" air defense system is based on the BRDM-2 and is equipped with a twin 23mm ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft gun. Developed by AVD LLC, the system is equipped with a thermal imaging sight and a camera with 32x optical zoom. This allows it to detect drones at a range of up to 3,000 meters. The BRDM-2's powertrain and transmission were replaced. The "Lovets" air defense system is capable of engaging targets at altitudes of up to 1,500 meters and at ranges of up to 2,500 meters. The system's rate of fire is up to 2,000 rounds per minute. It is not yet clear how many air defense systems have been produced.


> ex-eastern bloc country announces new air defense systems
> looks inside
> ZU-23

If it ain’t broken don’t fix it

Proven systems that are known and easily produced/repaired are nice for fast implementation.

But it's always the guidance system to follow lighter uav that are problematic. I don't know if they have an automatic thermal/sighting system that wake up operators to shot at the incoming threat, it could become interesting if it does.

If you need operators on station 24h to look at the monitor and sky to find them and shot them, it's quite hard to be efficient.

Both sides have numerous improvised platforms using tractors, trucks and MT-LBs with ZU-23-2 guns and it works. Not all the time as there are also reports of them getting destroyed but that's war. But the fact they are repeatedly used tells you it works.

Guidance system? What guidance system? All it needs is thermal sights and some real skill.

Don't underestimate human skill.
 

HighGround

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Both sides have numerous improvised platforms using tractors, trucks and MT-LBs with ZU-23-2 guns and it works. Not all the time as there are also reports of them getting destroyed but that's war. But the fact they are repeatedly used tells you it works.

Guidance system? What guidance system? All it needs is thermal sights and some real skill.

Don't underestimate human skill.

You don’t want to rely on skill…

It reminds me of all the old BM-21s in service. I don’t have a problem with the actual platform, but at the very least it should be automated. Manually sighting it with winches and dials is not a good thing. We live in a digital age.
 

Tam

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You don’t want to rely on skill…

It reminds me of all the old BM-21s in service. I don’t have a problem with the actual platform, but at the very least it should be automated. Manually sighting it with winches and dials is not a good thing. We live in a digital age.

I won't underestimate skill. I remember one guy who got medaled by the Russian MoD for the drone kills with his ZU.

Recently I saw a video taken from the back of an open Russian truck. There was a Ukrainian FPV drone approaching and the Russian soldiers on back of the truck were panicking. Then there was this guy riding shotgun in the back, cool and chill, and smoking a cigarette. Two bursts from his rifle, and the drone is down. Then he continues smoking like it's all part of the day's work.

War is far too often chaotic for punching buttons, looking at screens and dealing with computing interfaces. Simple, intuitive and obvious can be best in such times.
 

Stealthflanker

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It reminds me of all the old BM-21s in service. I don’t have a problem with the actual platform, but at the very least it should be automated. Manually sighting it with winches and dials is not a good thing. We live in a digital age.

Yeah, with automation, opening the gate for remote operation.. further improving crew safeties as they can be away from the vehicle.
 

Tam

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There's something called the Tornado-G. That's your modernized Grad with digital controls and so on. It's currently in production, and eventually they will replace all the BM-21 in service.

But today is not the day. Not when all the old BM-21s are still around and battle worthy. The old and the new work side by side. Why discard the old when it ain't broken? The users of these vehicles have practiced their manual controls so many times, it's second nature. Why discard an existing highly practiced skillset?

It's like driving old cars and new cars. The digital dashboards are cool and flashy, but sometimes they distract and I hit a point where I don't know what to do on the menu. In the meantime, the manual controls of old cars are intuitive to me. I don't have to think because it's second nature. The tactile feel of the controls are strongly affirmative without taking my eyes of the road.

It's like the D-30 122mm howitzer. It's oldie but goodie. Both sides use it extensively. Everything is manual. It's older than it's users. The artillery man needs to look up at a range table. When everything is muddy and dirty, those winches work. If they break it's easy to repair. The range is only up to 15km for a HE-FRAG shell without base bleed, leaving vulnerable to drones and other artillery. But it's reliable and it's accurate. It just works, day, night, snow, rain, mud. When something like the "Thirty" gets a nickname, you know people swear by it.
 

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UAC delivered another batch of new Su-35S fighters to the Russian Ministry of Defense⚡️

These multifunctional aviation complexes are intended for the Russian Aerospace Forces. The aircraft have passed ground and flight factory tests.

“As part of fulfilling the targeted tasks set by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation to equip troop groupings with samples of weapons and equipment, our special fighter aviation group has received a new batch of multifunctional Su-35S fighters. The Su-35S aircraft performs all combat tasks assigned to us in full and with maximum quality,” said a Su-35S pilot of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

✈️The Su-35 aircraft is designed to achieve air superiority, operate in complex weather conditions at long distances from the base airfield, and serves as a transitional platform to fifth-generation aviation complexes.

“Our aircraft manufacturing plants are operating at full capacity and maintain consistently high rates of combat aircraft deliveries to the troops. The Su-35S combines the power of modern weapons, advanced electronics, and unique maneuverability, making it a ‘universal soldier’ for performing the most complex combat tasks — from covering aviation groups and ground facilities to striking enemy air and ground targets,” said a representative of Rostec.
 
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