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pmc

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The yellow tint in cockpit thats what Russia was exporting. Su-57 canopy is updated much later in 2019 to 2020. so we can have confidence that they take RCS reduction measures seriously.
infact Su-75 was introduced in Dubai so i am sure they are taking input from that region. i will say only Arab airline willing to lose billions to make sure paint on A350 is up to the standards. than there is that MIG-29 escort to Saudi crown prince aircraft. it need confidence on both aircraft and pilot training.



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Stealthflanker

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more facts help stop fanboying and desperate coping over which thing is the best thing in the world posting. I find those very irritating and not productive.

To be more productive you have to actually show how you can use that fact.

It is also a fact that RCS is not or not always a Linear figure. It is a function of many variables like shapes and frequencies. It is irritating to see people pops up with value WITHOUT mentioning the supporting variables too. RCS data is only USABLE when you have at least frequency.

You cannot just say "Hey stop fanboying here is a Patent.. the number there is bigger than whatever published for other fighter" You have to dig into it more like saying what frequency they are or even how they are measured because statistics also used for it. Radar engineer is more interested to something like PDF (Probability Density Function) or CDF (Cumulative Distribution Function) Than single or few values shown in publication.

Even Average value CANNOT be used directly but instead you have to use it in a target model e.g Swerling case 1 or when that give you negative value (yes it happens) you have to work with histogram.

That's how you can start a productive discussion.
 

Tirdent

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The A-50U is more respectable than the baseline but clearly A-100 should be the new standard. At least in my estimates it will give a huge jump in Russian AEW capability. The following are some Range graph for AEW's in S-band... there should be ZDK-03 there but i haven't included it yet.

What accounts for the huge discrepancy between the vanilla A-50 and the E-3? Their radar systems do not appear to be that different, both are S-band (obviously), have approximately the same antenna size and they're both phased arrays? Is the transmitter on the A-50 that weak or something?
 

Stealthflanker

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What accounts for the huge discrepancy between the vanilla A-50 and the E-3? Their radar systems do not appear to be that different, both are S-band (obviously), have approximately the same antenna size and they're both phased arrays? Is the transmitter on the A-50 that weak or something?

Well processing and how the antenna was built. the US E-3 antenna was known to have very low sidelobe. This helps reducing the amount of clutter that got in and helps achieving longer range. The E-3 may also have higher duty cycle as it works in Pulse doppler mode, thus having higher PRF and naturally duty cycle.

Early A-50 was probably using MTI or Moving Target Indicator and low PRF. Transmitter wise A-50 actually have 3 Megawatt while APY-2 for E-3 was about 1 Megawatt. But E-3 have higher duty cycle and thus higher emitted average power and longer range.

Nonetheless i'm still open for feedback tho as i was basing my estimates on trying to get "equal condition" for the candidates namely target flying high and no clutter. the E-3 was credited for being able to detect low altitude target at about 370 km, it will have more range for higher altitude target. as it allows lesser SNR to be used.
 

Tirdent

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Su-57 analysis

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Not sure what to make of the analysis. There's nothing egregiously wrong about it, but the authors do make lots of minor errors that are all to the detriment of the Su-75 and substantially distort the final verdict. For example, they put a little too much faith in how representative the LO treatments are on what is a mock-up after all. Mainly though, while I mostly agree with the weight analysis (personally I think it's a bit lighter, but ultimately it is roughly F-35 size, so fair enough) the premise that the F-35 represents a benchmark for good design is flawed. For example, the Su-75 is criticized for having a higher fineness ratio and lower wing loading, resulting in greater subsonic drag (wetted area).

That's not incorrect, but the F-35A has its compact packaging and small wings due to the requirement for commonality with the STOVL version, not because these are otherwise desirable characteristics. Its fuselage length is constrained by elevator size on USMC LHAs and wing area by weight reduction considerations for vertical take-off/landing. This is part of the reason why the Yak-38 and original metal-wing Harrier have almost F-104-like tiny wings! In fact, the Su-75 is a lot more typical of a modern supersonic fighter than the F-35 on both these counts, and by the standards applied by the authors of the paper virtually all other designs would fare poorly too. Including, notably, the J-20 and J-10 with their deliberately high fineness ratio (for low supersonic drag in absence of state-of-the-art engines) and characteristically delta-canard low wing loading... Makes this judgement all the more weird, supposedly coming from people who would be more keenly aware than most of these facts.

Similarly, the ruddervators are on the one hand criticized for lack of effectiveness, but then so is the remedy (the body flaps). Yes, they don't compare to the Hornet's tailerons in effectiveness, but they don't need to since as in the (correctly identified) analogues on the X-29 and MiG 1.44, they are not the primary means of pitch control. Those would be the canards on the X-29 and 1.44 or the ruddervators on the Su-75. There's nothing wrong with this solution at all, in combination this configuration should give plenty enough pitch authority while being rather stealthy too.

Then we get to the payload - no the Su-75 does not have only 1 AAM less than the Su-57, as the ability of the main bay to hold 3 missiles reads across, giving 8 missiles for the larger fighter. Conversely one AAM less is suddenly a big deal when comparing against the F-35 though, despite the fact that its 6 missile config hasn't even been tested yet. Regarding the radar, the Irbis is a PESA that is only losely related, more pertinent is the fact that the array on the Su-75 is actually the same size as the Su-57's AESA (contrary to the authors' claim), it just lacks the side-looking antennas.

Long story short - it's clearly authored by people with some knowledge of the subject matter, but feels like a very sloppy effort.
 
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