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taxiya

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I don't see any cameras either. I read somewhere they use other drones in the vicinity for targetting.

It's strange, even a plain optical camera would have been useful and not added much cost or weight. I imagine the Iranians struggled to integrate the electronics or datalink.
There are two ways of using optical camera.

The video feed is transmitted through data link to controller. This is the cheap option, but it demands high bandwidth and the drone must fly high due to the curve of the earth if the controller is on ground. This limit the range. I guess Iran doesn't have the means of having controllers airborne although that will solve the problem of range to some extent.

The other way is optical targeting by image comparison and recognition. It is like radar. It will make the drone much more expensive though.

I don't think it is wise for any loiter munitions using datalink (via sat or aircraft) because the size limitation. On-board optical or radar homing is a choice except higher price.
 

gelgoog

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The Iranian drones are probably as good as they could be given the limitations of being sanctioned. Russia will now have the same limitations. They will learn from Iran how to use civilian tech to build simple weapons that work. Hopefully Russia will now serve as a conduit to trade Chinese electronics via Russia to Iran and North Korea
The Russian MIC has been under US and EU sanctions since 2014. Nothing new really.
 

tankphobia

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The Russian MIC has been under US and EU sanctions since 2014. Nothing new really.
But it seems like Iranian arms industry is better suited to work against the circumstances and produce innovative products given the sanctions, while Russian arms industry got crippled in turn, with the t-14 program basically on infinite hiatus afters sanctions bite. Really should've swallowed their pride and used some Chinese parts instead.
 

pmc

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But it seems like Iranian arms industry is better suited to work against the circumstances and produce innovative products given the sanctions, while Russian arms industry got crippled in turn, with the t-14 program basically on infinite hiatus afters sanctions bite. Really should've swallowed their pride and used some Chinese parts instead.
I have yet to see this Iranian drone hitting a moving target. which Russian tracking drones can deliver much better with less noise.
the rest is just show.
 

pmc

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This passenger plane number is double of previous figures.
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From 2022 to 2030 Russia plans to deliver 1,036 passenger planes. That includes 142 Superjet-New and 270 MS-21, as well as 70 turboprop Il-114, 70 medium-haul Tu-214, and 12 wide-body Il-96, designed locally, according to government documents.

"We don't expect sanctions to be eased and we are building our plans based on the existing tough scenario," Rostec said.
 

gelgoog

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It remains to be seen how they will deliver on that. Russian industry is not ready to produce that amount of planes.
The Superjet-NEW and MC-21 will still take at least two years before they enter production. As for the Il-114 it has design issues with its engines. The industry still is not capable of producing the engines they need at the rates they want.

I am fairly certain UAC will be able to deliver those planes just not in the required quantities.
 

Deino

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This passenger plane number is double of previous figures.


What?? anaother Ruissian wet-dream and pure propaganda! Even without sanctions, UAC built only a handfull of airliners in recent years which are not even competitive and now they aim for "1,036 passenger planes" between 2022 to 2030!

That would equal to 1036 aircraft in 8 years or 129.5 per year aka 10.8 per month and this even more under sanctions!
By the way, 2022 is almost over and how many were delivered!

I wonder why they think there is still anyone who believes in this propaganda!
 
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gelgoog

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142 Superjet-NEW and 12 wide-body Il-96 until 2030 is not unrealistic.

Russia produced 36 Superjet aircraft in 2016. So they have the line assembly facilities to produce that many aircraft easily. But they need to remove Western components from the Superjet and manufacture those. The PD-8 engine is still doing ground testing and will only go into the flying Il-76 testbed next year. This year they also moved a Superjet-NEW airframe for fatigue strength testing at TsAGI. At best they will be flying the PD-8 on an actual Superjet in 2024. The question is can Saturn produce those engines in the required amounts. We got pictures on Aviation Week of the new Russian glass cockpit for the Superjet-NEW this week. But it will take time to certify the aircraft. It has taken years to certify the MC-21. They could try to rush the certification process but this will be risky and may lead to accidents. As for the Il-96 they produced 7 in 2009, the production facility is still available, and the engines are also used in the Il-76MD-90. So there will be production capacity for it.

270 MS-21, 70 turboprop Il-114, 70 medium-haul Tu-214 remains to be seen if they can do that.

Current production capacity for the PD-14 engine is like 4-6 engines a year and the new production facility to ramp up production is still being built. Currently they use the same production facilities for the PD-14 as in the PS-90 engine production and the facilities are all maxed out since the factory is fully loaded with orders for the PS-90. So it remains to be seen if they can ramp up production of the engines for MC-21 to meet those numbers. Originally half of the produced MC-21 were supposed to use Pratt & Whitney engines. And initial estimated aircraft production was like half this number since the Russia transport sector was also supposed to be buying Western aircraft like A320Neo, 737 Max. So Aviadvigatel will have to produce like 4x as many engines as originally planned. As for the Tu-214, the maximum production was 10 units in 2008, and they have two lines one for the Tu-214 and another for the Tu-204. Also some of those aircraft might end up being refurbished Tu-214 so it is not totally impossible to do I guess.

I think the most unrealistic numbers are for MC-21 and Il-114 production. I do not see how they can deliver those aircraft in those numbers.

If you add those numbers together you get 564 not 1000. So what are the other aircraft supposed to be?
 
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gelgoog

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There is also the problem that the available Superjet fleet will not have access to Western components anymore. I do not know what they will do with regards to that. If they replace components with Russian ones that will further reduce the amount of components available in the pool to build new aircraft. As is they built over 200 Superjets and these use imported components like engines, avionics, etc. Will these be replaced with Superjet-NEW aircraft or will they try to replace Western components on at least some aircraft?
 

pmc

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If you add those numbers together you get 564 not 1000. So what are the other aircraft supposed to be?
They could be for export. at some point Airbus production will goes down. it is just matter of fact when it will lack inputs at cheaper price.
Already indicated hiring 12K more people. some of the Production factories labor that produce Su-34/MIG-35 will shift towards passenger airlines.
they are adding 900 people for new projects for heli engines in one location. so aerospace is definitely a priority.
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