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ougoah

Brigadier
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Do we even know if it works anything like that or its just an assumption based on the half-assed american project?

No one knows for sure but the general principle points in that direction. If the Russians have revolutionised miniature reactors in some other fashion, working on much better principles for creating thrust, then they would be expanding it to many things and many fields. So it's a pretty decent assumption from anzha. The technology itself is still super impressive to manage in a cruise missile sized vehicle. The Americans didn't really complete Pluto, although little doubt they could if they really wanted to. It is simply less useful for the Americans like an assault rifle isn't a suitable tool for a wealthy man walking into a bank to make a deposit. It's also why the US never really bothered that much to finish developing HGVs... they simply had less need for one because of the types of wars they want to fight and how they want to fight them. However HGVs are perfect weapons for nations defending against CBG main assault forces and regional military bases littered around you.
 

anzha

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A tiny nuclear reactor.

Tiny is relative. While these missiles use absolutely the wrong isotope, the mass isn't much different than what's in a nuclear weapon. It won't cause a nuclear explosion, at least not one bigger than a conventional weapon, but if there are flaws in the construction, if there are any quality control issues, the Burevestnik will leave a mess behind everywhere it goes. The Burevestnik is intended to fly anywhere in the world, not just over the poles to the US. That makes it everyone's problem.

The usual morons "experts" have called this a "flying Chernobyl" without irony, as if there's any comparison between the quantities and energies involved.

The press in the West cannot be trusted to report on nuclear issues. They are rabidly antinuclear (regardless of any evidence), have the competency of Minnie Chan on most science or are blindly pro nuclear depending on what audience they are writing for. It's absurd and I agree they cannot be trusted.
If I'm wrong about that and the weapon is as dangerous (to its launchers, it's deliberately very dangerous to those it's aimed at) as you claim, then it's America's fault for forcing its development.

It's not just dangerous for those its aimed at. It's dangerous for everyone along the flight path, belligerent, ally or neutral.

I'm sorry, mods, but I gotta ask: how did America force its development? The extremely limited and faulty ABM shield?
 

anzha

Senior Member
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No one knows for sure but the general principle points in that direction. If the Russians have revolutionised miniature reactors in some other fashion, working on much better principles for creating thrust, then they would be expanding it to many things and many fields. So it's a pretty decent assumption from anzha.

It should be noted each time (recently at least) the Burevestnik has flown the American Constant Phoenix is up in the area or as close as it can get. Constant Phoenix is used to detect nuclear leaks, detonations, etc. It accomplishes detection by sampling the air. That would strongly imply there are heavy isotopes to be detected.
 

sheogorath

Major
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No one knows for sure but the general principle points in that direction. If the Russians have revolutionised miniature reactors in some other fashion, working on much better principles for creating thrust, then they would be expanding it to many things and many fields. So it's a pretty decent assumption from anzha. The technology itself is still super impressive to manage in a cruise missile sized vehicle. The Americans didn't really complete Pluto, although little doubt they could if they really wanted to. It is simply less useful for the Americans like an assault rifle isn't a suitable tool for a wealthy man walking into a bank to make a deposit. It's also why the US never really bothered that much to finish developing HGVs... they simply had less need for one because of the types of wars they want to fight and how they want to fight them. However HGVs are perfect weapons for nations defending against CBG main assault forces and regional military bases littered around you.
It could easily be a development of the TEM reactor which is already quite small.

Heck it could very well be an electric engine of some sort powered by a nuclear battery.

If it was anything like Pluto, the US and rest of NATO would have complained by now and let us know how those filthy "asiatic hordes" don't really care about the world.
 

sheogorath

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It should be noted each time (recently at least) the Burevestnik has flown the American Constant Phoenix is up in the area or as close as it can get. Constant Phoenix is used to detect nuclear leaks, detonations, etc. It accomplishes detection by sampling the air. That would strongly imply there are heavy isotopes to be detected.

It is kinda obvious if you are trying to figure out how the propulsion of a strategic nuclear weapons works and if it leaks at all. It doesn't necesarily implies it -has- to be Pluto-like.
 

anzha

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It is kinda obvious if you are trying to figure out how the propulsion work and if it leaks at all. It doesn't necesarily implies it -has- to be Pluto-like.

There's always a chance it could be something other than a Pluto-esque engine. It would require some serious improvements in efficiencies to do so. If the Russians had made these improvements in energy efficiency, they should be rolling this tech out everywhere: they could utterly dominate other nonnuclear industries. AFAICT, they are not doing so. While not proof, their actions are suggestive.

Additionally, if Burevestnik had a sealed micro reactor of some kind, Constant Phoenix shouldn't be able to detect it.

Lastly, why put so much energy into making a 'safe' expendable missile? It's not planned to be reused, so... why bother building it to be super safe? I mean, it is delivering a nuclear weapon after all.

None of this is proof. However, it is suggestive.
 

Anlsvrthng

Captain
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Without accounting for any nuclear payloads being detonated intentionally, this weapon's propulsion at most risks a radiation leak if it crashes unintentionally. This is the terrifying part. Given what the purpose is for, this isn't something like nuclear submarines on patrol around the world, the scale of fuel and contamination being much greater if accidents happen. I doubt the Russians would loiter more of these cruise missiles than there are nuclear subs on patrol by all SSN and SSBN operators. And personally do not think they would be launching them in any significant numbers unless it is nuclear war, in which case, any faults are the least of humanity's worries.
The reactor is not so radioactive.

It is not a flying Fukushima, designed by the GE.

The USA rocket reactor fuel rods was collected by hand after the full destruction test.
 

gelgoog

Brigadier
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I don't think anyone doubts that Russia can make military equipment more cost effective than western countries.

Whats surprising is the fact this 5th generation jet is purportedly cheaper than previous generation Russian jets.

Salaries are cheaper in Russia than in the West yes. You also need to take into consideration that previous generation Russian jets use dual engines and way many more parts than Checkmate. Add to that improved line automation today, a much more advanced industry and you get increased productivity. But, as they say, the proof is in the tasting.
 

gelgoog

Brigadier
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Shoigu if stayed longer will make further changes that will make Russia away from Europe.

Shoigu is from Tuva Republic. He is a true product of EurASIA.
If Shoigu gets promoted, expect further development of the Eastern parts of the Russian Federation.
These are long overdue I think. Major opportunities. While Europe sleeps, the Russian giant awakens.
Russia needs to build the Power of Siberia 2 pipeline ASAP and connect their federal gas grid East to West.

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Atomicfrog

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Salaries are cheaper in Russia than in the West yes. You also need to take into consideration that previous generation Russian jets use dual engines and way many more parts than Checkmate. Add to that improved line automation today, a much more advanced industry and you get increased productivity. But, as they say, the proof is in the tasting.
The big thing is that Checkmate use already developed engine and hardware, so not a lot of money from the sales are to payback research and development.
 
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