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Jeff Head

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Well, it will be good to see them get a second one in the water on trials. but they are each taking ten years to get from laying the keel to commissioning.

I do not see them being able to get five more completed in the next five years...I just don't.

They will be doing well if they get two more in the next five years...and will drastically cut their current schedule if they do that.

By that time, in 2023 when the Russians reach what I project will be four boats, the US Navy will have 20 or more Virginia's.

Time will tell...but that is the type of disparity Russia is looking at.

But four Yasen boats are still a very potent force.
 

delft

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Well, it will be good to see them get a second one in the water on trials. but they are each taking ten years to get from laying the keel to commissioning.

I do not see them being able to get five more completed in the next five years...I just don't.

They will be doing well if they get two more in the next five years...and will drastically cut their current schedule if they do that.

By that time, in 2023 when the Russians reach what I project will be four boats, the US Navy will have 20 or more Virginia's.

Time will tell...but that is the type of disparity Russia is looking at.

But four Yasen boats are still a very potent force.
If they are drastically increasing the speed with which they will be building naval vessels they must be busy investing in shipyards. Is anyone keeping an eye on such investments?
 

Jeff Head

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They are amazing vessels...but I do be;ieve that they have equals.

Any properly armed moden vessels with a large store of VLS long range ASMs that are modern and have decent ECM built in (lets say any ship or sub with 128 VLS...or even 96), could take one of these babies out.

Not to mention carriers with strong airwings carrying a lot of ASMs.

Just the same, they would be hard nuts to crack.

Problem is, even with upgraded sensors and weapons...their radar signtaure s so massive that there wuld be no mostaking it...and particularly once they were forced to turn on any active sensors...they would be lit up across the spectrum.

So, a Zumwalt, a Tico, a Type 055s, a SKOR DKX-III, etc. All of them could carry enough ASMs on a sirface strike mission to do the number.

An Ohio Class SSGN.

A US carrier, French, the new QEs, and the Chinese carriers...if they could strike at range with their air wings, they would simply keep coming back until they had eliminated her.

Still...I love building my 1/350 scale Petr Velikiy, 099

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That was a VERY fun build! Lots of detail, and this is a modernized vessel. It was the last one built and it was built to the modern specs.

Sort of like the Yamato class in World War II. They were the biggest Battleships ever built with the largest armament.

But when the US attacked them, first in 1944 near the Philippines as a part of the Battle of Leyete Gulf, and took the second one out, the Musashi, and then the next years when they sent the Yamamoto out on the biggest Kamikazi attack ever, hundreds of aircraft pounded them until they went down.

The Musashi too the following hits to sink her:

11 x 500 lb bombs
06 x 1,000 lb bombs
17 x Torpedoes

Amazing punishment she was able to take, and she was attacked a total of five times that day by a total of over 100 aircraft.
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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They are amazing vessels...but I do be;ieve that they have equals.

Any properly armed moden vessels with a large store of VLS long range ASMs that are modern and have decent ECM built in (lets say any ship or sub with 128 VLS...or even 96), could take one of these babies out.

Not to mention carriers with strong airwings carrying a lot of ASMs.

Just the same, they would be hard nuts to crack.

Problem is, even with upgraded sensors and weapons...their radar signtaure s so massive that there wuld be no mostaking it...and particularly once they were forced to turn on any active sensors...they would be lit up across the spectrum.

Sort of like the Yamato class in World War II. They were the biggest Battleships ever built with the largest armament.

But when the US attacked them, first in 1944 near the Philippines as a part of the Battle of Leyete Gulf, and took the second one out, the Musashi, and then the next years when they sent the Yamamoto out on the biggest Kamikazi attack ever, hundreds of aircraft pounded them until they went down.

The Musashi too the following hits to sink her:

11 x 500 lb bombs
06 x 1,000 lb bombs
17 x Torpedoes

Amazing punishment she was able to take, and she was attacked a total of five times that day by a total of over 100 aircraft.

Undoubtely the ship that was the most difficult to sink !
The Yamato a little more easy if i can say it is also as often also a matter of chance the damage may be greater depending on the location of the impact
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https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/world-war-ii-battleship-on-battleship-engagements.t7859/

I have see in general 70 Harpoons in a CVN special/rare infos i can' t be certain... others Charle de Gaulle, Kuznetsov about 20 - 30 AShMs

But for her size seems Kuznetsov and logic in first designed as Heavy Cruiser with SS-N-19 for main offensive weapons as a Kirov, Oscar carry enough few ordinances confirmed by Fuel aviation capacity 2500 t, QE 3600 t similar size, CDG 3200 t clearly less big but advantage of nuclear propulstion, reactors are more compact and not fuel necessay for the ship so more aviation Fuel in others free tanks.
 
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