Russian Flanker and SU-3X Thread: Videos, Pictures, News, Views


Obi Wan Russell

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I've long felt many people are too hasty to write off older aircraft designs, especially as overall performance figure haven't really altered that much in decades (mach 2 fighters have been around since the fifties, and the current generation aren't noticeably quicker). 'STEALTH!' I hear you cry, and yes it does make a huge difference, but there are already chinks in that armour. It doesn't make an aircraft invisible to radar, just a lot harder to detect. Who knows how many years before some 'counter-stealth' technology (probably a computer processor that can pick out a supersonic 'golf ball' from raw radar data) is developed and deployed and the western air forces are back to square one.

In this light I can understand the logic of continuing with older but perfectly serviceable designs. I only wish we'd hung on to a few classics of our own, say an F-4 Phantom with AESA radar or a Buccaneer with the latest avionics (pick your own favourites here!). After all, it's the missiles and guided weapons that an aircraft carries which actually go 'in harms way' these days, rather than the aircraft itself, which is why the fifties vintage B-52 still qualifies as a modern frontline strike aircraft.
 

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Re: Russian SU-3X Flanker Thread: Videos, Pictures, News, Views

How do the Russian Flankers compare with their Chinese counterparts, J-11B and J-16? Too bad Russia dropped the Su-33, and we can't compare it with the J-15.
Well, here's a first run at a comparison of these various Russian flankers to their Chinese counterparts:





Data takem from MILVIA, Global Security, KNAAPO, and Janes
 
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FORBIN

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Nice chart, but i found some combat radius a little weak, this one thing difficult for know because depends source ofc but weapons carried, mission profile ( hi-lo-hi ... ) etc...

Some number for "new " VVS Flanker in service :
26 Su-35S on 48 ordered seems very possible one 2nd batch beacause operationnal and less expensive as T-50.
16 Su-30SM on 60 ordered more 5 for Navy.
8 Su-30M2 on 16 ordered
34 Su-34 on 124 ordered definitely one new order for replace about 200 Su-24 remaining.
 

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Re: Russian SU-3X Flanker Thread: Videos, Pictures, News, Views

Nice chart, but i found some combat radius a little weak, this one thing difficult for know because depends source ofc but weapons carried, mission profile ( hi-lo-hi ... ) etc...

Some number for "new " VVS Flanker in service :
26 Su-35S on 48 ordered seems very possible one 2nd batch beacause operationnal and less expensive as T-50.
16 Su-30SM on 60 ordered more 5 for Navy.
8 Su-30M2 on 16 ordered
34 Su-34 on 124 ordered definitely one new order for replace about 200 Su-24 remaining.
Well a combat radius is different than range.

What they have the range to reach with their internal fuel is usually almost twice what they can go to and then get back from on internal fuel.

Since I believe all of these aircraft have refueling capability...that mitigates the radius and range issues somewhat.
 

Blackstone

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Well, here's a first run at a comparison of these various Russian flankers to their Chinese counterparts:



Data takem from MILVIA, Global Security, KNAAPO, and Janes
Love the chart, Jeff. Got one for avionics and weapon suits?
 
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Jeff Head

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Love the chart, Jeff. Got one for avionics and weapon suits?
Not yet...thought I would maybe see if someone else wanted to tackle that little project first.
 

thunderchief

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Su-35S is mostly geared towards air-to-air combat, mostly air defense , not that much air dominance . Theoretically, it should be able to counter F-35s .

Su-30SM is multirole fighter designed to fight against 4th gen opponents and to perform ground and naval strikes at the same time. Most likely Russia will deploy these at less critical sectors . And I don't think they would produce new Su-30M2s for VVS . Those they received were just surplus they could not sell.

Su-34 is a strike aircraft with reduced frontal RCS and powerful jammers . To be used in strikes against difficult opponents.
 

Scyth

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Would love to see the Typhoon showing its stuff to the Flanker like they showed it to the Typhoon :)

Standaard RAF Typhoon armament seems to be 4x AMRAAM + 4x SRAAM.

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