Russia Vs Georgia..a widening crisis!

flyzies

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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms

^ Well, according to NY Times, they just moved on...
TBILISI, Georgia — Russia expanded its attacks on Georgia on Sunday, moving tanks and troops through the separatist enclave of South Ossetia and advancing toward the city of Gori in central Georgia, in its first direct assault on a Georgian city with ground forces during three days of heavy fighting, Georgian officials said.
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The Georgian city of Gori is under "massive" attack from Russian artillery and planes and ground forces are preparing for an assault, a Georgian interior ministry spokesman said.

"There was massive bombing of Gori all evening and now we are getting reports of an imminent attack by Russian tanks," said spokesman Shota Utiashvili.

"Gori is being bombed massively from the air and from artillery as well."

He said Russian troops "are not there yet but it looks like they are getting ready for it".

Georgian forces were returning fire on Russian positions, he said.

A spokesman for Russia's defence ministry said he could neither confirm nor deny the report.
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utelore

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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms

let me just set some facts strait. If Russia is doing well and is moving I report it if Georgia is doing well I report what info I get.

I do support Georgia and its help with my country the U.S in the war on terror and if I was running things U.S aircraft would have removed russian planes from Georgian Sky's. I think it is deplorable what the Russians are doing. end of that.

Now, I do know Georgia OP-Plan per more than 1,000 U.S troops training and equip them. I do know the OP-plan called for Georgian special forces and even reserves do take civ clothing and fight a high intensity guerilla war if Russia trys to topple the gov.

lastest news is a fact that a re-enforced bat tried to move on gori and was repulsed with heavy russian losses and a counter bombardment of s. ossetia has restarted.
 

maozedong

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this is interesting news from CCTV:
UN Security Council held an emergency meeting yesterday, the U.S has accused the Russian offensive Georgia, its purpose is to change the Government of Georgia and the Russian anti-exclusion U.S in Iraq and other regions of the actions and therefore has no right whatsoever to the U.S accused Russia.
 

alopes

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Georgian Su-25 jet shot down while attacking positions of Russia’s the 58th army

11.08.2008, 16.27

TSKHINVAL, August 11 (Itar-Tass) -- A Georgian Su-25 jet was shot down in South Ossetia while attacking positions of Russia’s the 58th army and a South Ossetian battalion in the area of Eredvi.

A South Ossetian police has told Itar-Tass he was a witness to the incident, which took place fifteen minutes ago.

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This news from yahoo sounds alarmist but......


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Swarms of Russian jets bomb Georgian targets

By MISHA DZHINDZHIKHASHVILI, Associated Press Writer 38 minutes ago

TBILISI, Georgia - Swarms of Russian jets launched new raids on Georgian territory Monday and Georgia faced the threat of a second front of fighting as Russia demanded that Georgia disarm troops near the breakaway province of Abkhazia.
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While a senior Russian general insisted that Russia has no plans to press further into Georgian territory — its troops are now in two breakaway provinces — the order to disarm carried the threat that Russian-sponsored fighting would spread.

The new air forays into Georgia — even as Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili on signed a cease-fire pledge — appeared to show Russian determination to subdue the small, U.S.-backed country, which has been pressing for NATO membership. Russia fended off a wave of international calls to observe Georgia's pleas for a truce, saying it must first be assured of Georgia's retreat from South Ossetia.
 

Scratch

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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms

Another possibility that shows up may be that Russia perhaps intends to disintegrate / cripple the Georgian Army, without eventually occupying gerogian territory. If the (conventional) military factor is diminished in Georgia, that may give Russia even more leverage in the region and may allow them to negotiate from an even stronger position to get favourable results.
It somehow also sends a certain message to other countries in a similar position; and to the whole world for that matter regarding Russia's old-new influence.
 

ccL1

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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms

Russian forces have seized a military base at Senaki and a town called Zugdidi within Georgia proper.

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Nana Intskerveli, the Georgian Defense Ministry's spokeswoman, said Russian armored personnel carriers rolled into the base in Senaki, about 20 miles inland from the Black Sea port of Poti.

Georgian Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said Russian forces also took over police stations in the town of Zugdidi - about 20 miles from the base and also outside Abkhazia.sian military action. Senaki is located about 30 miles east of the Inguri River, which separates Abkhazia from Georgia proper.
 

Roger604

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Re: Georgia Attacks South Ossetia, War With Russia Looms

It's pretty obvious now that this is going to go down in one of three ways:

Russia takes over all of Georgia, controls the pipelines and the Baltics / Ukraine realize that the same fact awaits them if they step out of line with Moscow.

Foreign forces enter Georgia to defend it.

The Georgians hold out and bloody the Russian Army long enough for Moscow to accept a deal with they get the separatist regions of Georgia but the Georgian state is taken over by international peacekeepers.
 

utelore

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report-Georgian forces are leaving Gori, But they are leaving small units of sniper and anti tank team and Arty controllers to pinpoint russian units.

reports indicate that long columns of russian armour are moving south all the way from Beslan, and U.S Intel is telling Georgia to prepare to fight for Tbilisi as the amount of military power moving into Georgia is comparable to the invasion of Iraq. 600-1000 armour/afv and 60,000 troops with 25,000 already in Georgia and moving fast now.

Things will slow around the hills of tbilisi and the start of counter supply ops by Georgian SF leftover in Gori.
 

akihh

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Russia rejects OSCE brokered cease fire offer.

According to georgia city of Gori has been conquered by russian troops. Only 60km to Tblisi left.

If russia is not stopping the attack right now, this going to escalate. No one is gonna believe their assurances of quick end of hostilites or limited campaing after this.

Even though I despise Shaakasvilis actions, georgia needs planeloads of AT and AA missiles and right now or they'll be completely overrun. Ukraine, baltics and so on must be scared *hitless that the mighty west is not helping friend in dire need.

EDIT: Reuters reporter in Gori denies that the city is captured. Who knows?
 
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utelore

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Georgia is setting up defense in depth 15 kilometers from Tbilisi. They are digging into the hills, urban areas in multi layers of defenses. Ready to blow bridges and are digging in while keeping maneuver groups ready. Tens of thousands Georgians are protecting Tbilisi.

Georgia is also keeping small cells of volunteers and special forces in basements ready to undertake small unit and insurgent actions against Russia.
My sources are telling me that Gori still has Georgian troops in the hundreds hidden ready to attack. Georgia will start going after the supply units feeding the russian armour.

I believe the U.S should now start sending in special forces to help this ally...I am not the only one who thinks this way to include U.S military men.

Also Many Georgian commanders believe they will have more than 100,000 troops in two weeks and when and if the Russians leave they will destroy abkasia and ossetia.
 
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