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[FairAndUnbiased]

Russian government allocates 7 billion rubles to fund the development of domestic wafer fabs​

According to Russian media reports, the Russian government intends to provide 7 billion rubles (about 770 million yuan) to Mikron, the country’s main microelectronics manufacturer, to help it maintain wafers in Russia. manufacturing facility.

After the news came out, some experts believe that 7 billion rubles is a drop in the bucket to support the development of wafer manufacturing companies. Mikron needs more support to promote the research and development of new processes and new technologies, otherwise the company will stagnate.

Some experts pointed out that there is a serious shortage of personnel in the Russian microelectronics manufacturing industry, and continued state support has raised wages and stabilized the workforce.

According to public information, Mikron is the only company in Russia capable of manufacturing 180-90nm integrated circuits. In April of this year, the company also announced an expansion plan to purchase second-hand equipment to double wafer production capacity. (Proofreading / Wu Shouzhe)

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180-90 nm is not that bad since Russia does not intend to compete in consumer electronics. 180-90 nm is perfectly fine for power, analog and optoelectronics for Russian cars, military, aerospace, etc.

What they should do though, is buy Chinese equipment and develop a replacement program or new lines, which will never be sanctioned. China can provide 100% domestic 180-90 nm production.

 

[Fedupwithlies]

Russian government allocates 7 billion rubles to fund the development of domestic wafer fabs​

According to Russian media reports, the Russian government intends to provide 7 billion rubles (about 770 million yuan) to Mikron, the country’s main microelectronics manufacturer, to help it maintain wafers in Russia. manufacturing facility.

After the news came out, some experts believe that 7 billion rubles is a drop in the bucket to support the development of wafer manufacturing companies. Mikron needs more support to promote the research and development of new processes and new technologies, otherwise the company will stagnate.

Some experts pointed out that there is a serious shortage of personnel in the Russian microelectronics manufacturing industry, and continued state support has raised wages and stabilized the workforce.

According to public information, Mikron is the only company in Russia capable of manufacturing 180-90nm integrated circuits. In April of this year, the company also announced an expansion plan to purchase second-hand equipment to double wafer production capacity. (Proofreading / Wu Shouzhe)

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They should work with China. A Russian market for Chinese chips is not something inconsequential.

 

[pmc]

180-90 nm is not that bad since Russia does not intend to compete in consumer electronics. 180-90 nm is perfectly fine for power, analog and optoelectronics for Russian cars, military, aerospace, etc.

What they should do though, is buy Chinese equipment and develop a replacement program or new lines, which will never be sanctioned. China can provide 100% domestic 180-90 nm production.

i am sure they can gain with cooperation with Chinese.
but they are building fundamental research NII/ Rosatom/Rostec/Rostelecom to create independent semicon/operating systems.
this is reflected in three to 4 GaN fabs that is foundation of communication technologies.

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[tokenanalyst]

180-90 nm is not that bad since Russia does not intend to compete in consumer electronics. 180-90 nm is perfectly fine for power, analog and optoelectronics for Russian cars, military, aerospace, etc.

What they should do though, is buy Chinese equipment and develop a replacement program or new lines, which will never be sanctioned. China can provide 100% domestic 180-90 nm production.

I think CETC alone can cover like 80% of Russia semiconductor needs. Lithography would be an issue given the fact the SMEE will have their hands full trying to fulfill the Chinese market but seeing the the Russians are capable of doing their own Arf excimer lasers, i think lithography would be an solvable issue, at least 180nm-90nm nodes.

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[gelgoog]

The Russians started a program to make their own EUV lithography tools. I know it sounds far fetched but if Japan can have a program, which came close to delivering, so can Russia.

Mikron is not the only Russian maker with 90nm technology since there is also Angstrem-T. They have the tools, it is the old AMD fab at Dresden which made the Athlon 64 basically, but they don't have proven capability to manufacture at 90nm. Why, I don't know, maybe they just can't get the process right? Maybe they lost 90nm orders? Last I heard they were making lower detail chips for a Chinese smartcard vendor.

Russia is basically taking into account Chinese vendors might fear secondary sanctions and not sell them stuff at this point. So they are basically aiming for some kind of fully native chain. While still allowing imports and private sector to do their own thing. But I see little hope of Russian private sector surviving sanctions.

 

[tokenanalyst]

The Russians started a program to make their own EUV lithography tools. I know it sounds far fetched but if Japan can have a program, which came close to delivering, so can Russia.

Mikron is not the only Russian maker with 90nm technology since there is also Angstrem-T. They have the tools, it is the old AMD fab at Dresden which made the Athlon 64 basically, but they don't have proven capability to manufacture at 90nm. Why, I don't know, maybe they just can't get the process right? Maybe they lost 90nm orders? Last I heard they were making lower detail chips for a Chinese smartcard vendor.

Russia is basically taking into account Chinese vendors might fear secondary sanctions and not sell them stuff at this point. So they are basically aiming for some kind of fully native chain. While still allowing imports and private sector to do their own thing. But I see little hope of Russian private sector surviving sanctions.

Yeah, but it doesn't matter much because the Russia have a small electronic industry and their semiconductor industry is even smaller so they are not losing much, they can get those items from other countries. For the Russian military and some Russian institutions in the other hand the impact of not having semiconductor manufacturing capability it will be more bigger because there are some specialty chips that cannot be bought in the civilian market. There is were CETC has a big advantage, specialty military chips that doesn't need to be made in the latest nodes, they also make semiconductor manufacturing equipment and software that can cover the needs of medium volume, highly reliable chips that the military needs.

 

[gelgoog]

Russian military chips are 90nm or worse. You might see newer stuff in, like, drones, or something but it will be something you can easily smuggle. Russian military and space sector is under sanctions since 2014 annexation of Crimea. This is nothing new to them.

These recent sanctions mostly affect large Russian civilian government and private sector companies.

 

[pmc]

The Russians started a program to make their own EUV lithography tools. I know it sounds far fetched but if Japan can have a program, which came close to delivering, so can Russia.

Russia has much deeper impact on fundamental sciences world wide not just inside Russia unlike Japan which basically cannot function outside Japan.
Also i dont think Japan has larger economy than Russia. Russia consistently produce hundreds of billions of dollars current account surpluses despite much greater population flying to West and Middlest. so there is more opportunity to spend. this semiconductor well inside Russia budget just like yearly road construction.
why do you think they started engineering in Russian language.

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[gelgoog]

Japan has much longer tradition in advanced semiconductors. It is about more than population.
At one time Japan was this close to dethroning the US in the world market. Russia even back in the Soviets time never came that close.
You could say East Germany had better commercial semiconductors than the Soviet Union even back then.

 

[pmc]

US has dysfunctional system it constantly needs new blood to excel and former Soviet Union provided it.
I dont see any Japanese fellow working for those currently leaders in whole semi conductor chain.
Those East German times are not consider advanced by current measures.