Renminbi (RMB)/Yuan Appreciation & Internationalization

Blitzo

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Indeed, the biggest accusers of completely false crimes certainly do deserve to be shielded from unproven accusations. Your position is clear.

I understand your point, but this is not the place to do this kind of soapboxing and moral posturing.

By choosing to make that argument on this forum you're creating unnecessary animosity, because ultimately most people here still want to have constructive discussions where claims have at least some semblance of evidence rather than suspicion alone.
 

CMP

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I understand your point, but this is not the place to do this kind of soapboxing and moral posturing.

By choosing to make that argument on this forum you're creating unnecessary animosity, because ultimately most people here still want to have constructive discussions where claims have at least some semblance of evidence rather than suspicion alone.
Fair enough. If no evidence means no need for an accusation based on suspicion alone, then I guess all hidden acts leading to destruction must be assumed to be nothing more than unfortunate accidents. Poor China and it's self-collapsing mine shafts. I guess they're just bad at infrastructure and unlucky. I'll file this event in the same category as China's ASML EUV lithography machine that was under construction during Trump term 1 and spontaneously self-destructed with definitely and absolutely no human intervention at all, at just around the same time as when the US openly declared China was not allowed to have such nice things, ever. Adversaries of the West sure seem to wind up having a lot of accidents with strategic implications. Just bad luck I guess.
 
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Blitzo

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Fair enough. If no evidence means no need for an accusation based on suspicion alone, then I guess all hidden acts leading to destruction must be assumed to be nothing more than unfortunate accidents. Poor China and it's self-collapsing mine shafts. I guess they're just bad at infrastructure and unlucky. I'll file this event in the same category as China's ASML EUV lithography machine that was under construction during Trump term 1 and spontaneously self-destructed with definitely and absolutely no human intervention at all, at just around the same time as when the US openly declared China was not allowed to have such nice things, ever. Adversaries of the West sure seem to wind up having a lot of accidents with strategic implications. Just bad luck I guess.

Correct, freewheeling speculation isn't constructive. Find somewhere else to vent please.
 

supercat

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Kenya saves $250 million a year after converting $5 billion loan to yuan.

Kenya Snags $215 Million in Savings After Chinese Loan Currency Swap​

  • Kenya converted its Chinese railway loans from dollars to yuan, cutting annual debt-servicing costs by $215 million.
  • The East African nation took $5 billion in loans from the Export-Import Bank of China for a standard gauge rail line, with about $3.5 billion still unpaid by June 2024.
  • Analysts see Kenya's move as a potential precedent for other African nations, with some countries already issuing yuan bonds or taking yuan-denominated loans to explore alternative markets.
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Ethiopia is attempting to do the same.

Ethiopia in Talks With China to Convert Dollar Loans Into Yuan​

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Wrought

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RMB transactions have increased sharply in recent years, particularly for trade settlement.

External renminbi loans, deposits and bond investments by Chinese banks quadrupled to more than Rmb3.4tn ($480bn) over the past five years, as policymakers more aggressively pursue their long-term goal of reducing the centrality of the dollar in global financial flows.

Recent data from China’s State Administration of Foreign Exchange shows the external fixed-income assets of Chinese banks more than doubling over the past decade to more than $1.5tn, with the share denominated in renminbi expanding rapidly to almost $484bn at the end of June. This includes $360bn of renminbi loans and deposits, up from $110bn in 2020.

Similarly, the Bank for International Settlements estimates that overseas bank lending in renminbi to borrowers in developing countries rose by $373bn in the four years to the end of March. “The year 2022 marked a turning point away from dollar- and euro-denominated credit and towards renminbi-denominated credit” to such borrowers, the BIS said.

Yuan payments are also migrating from SWIFT to CIPS.

It comes as Beijing has pushed the use of its own cross-border payments system, Cips, where the value of transactions has risen from a negligible amount a decade ago to more than Rmb40tn in every quarter since the start of last year.

Cips transactions have expanded even as the renminbi’s share of global payments on the Swift system has fallen. Bert Hoffman, a professor at the National University of Singapore’s East Asian Institute, said this most likely indicated a migration of payments to the Chinese system — furthering Beijing’s desire to move away from a dollar-based global monetary system to a multi-polar one.

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Michael90

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Time for South Korea to get rid of its USD, give them to Trump, and start using the RMB.
The problem is China will never open up her capital markets (and for a good reason) and alow her curency to be freely traded, so the RMB will never be a major world reserve currency like the dollar or even the Euro/pound. I don't think Chinese leaders want that either. They just want or need to keep enough presence for RMB to negate any US nuclear option sanction moves against China like cutting china off swift/dollar . So China needs some.sort of alternative and option. However that doesn't means opening up her capital markets , and even more so to have a resevre cureency it has to be extremely liquid and very, very easy to convert into and out of it, something that won't be possible with the RMB for obvious reasons..So people should stop this thing of BRICS or whoever replacing the dollar . Won't happen for obvious reasons.
 
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