QBZ-191 service rifle family

Bltizo said:

We've had partial pictures and hints that QBU191 was tested with the drum magazines too.

The fact that they are compatible with the drum magazine isn't the important part -- it is the evidence that they have been used in such a manner, to some extent, with in service weapons, and displayed as such in an open manner on state media.

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I wasn’t really pointing to the drum specifically. QBB95 and QBZ95, QBZ191 and QBU 191 are generally speaking just Heavy barrel iterations. The magazine well is the same the only major difference is the longer heavier barrel. Same general concept as the Aug HBAR, L86A1, the XM8/Mg36, even (ignoring receiver reinforcements) the RPK series. The Drum is fed via the same magazine well as such in theory a regular QBZ95 or QBZ03 could take it to.
The British before they adopted the L129A1 and Minimi, had used the L86A1 as both a DMR and IAR. It was just an L85 with a longer barrel, bipod ,an extra grip and occasionally a drum.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

I wasn’t really pointing to the drum specifically. QBB95 and QBZ95, QBZ191 and QBU 191 are generally speaking just Heavy barrel iterations. The magazine well is the same the only major difference is the longer heavier barrel. Same general concept as the Aug HBAR, L86A1, the XM8/Mg36, even (ignoring receiver reinforcements) the RPK series. The Drum is fed via the same magazine well as such in theory a regular QBZ95 or QBZ03 could take it to.
The British before they adopted the L129A1 and Minimi, had used the L86A1 as both a DMR and IAR. It was just an L85 with a longer barrel, bipod ,an extra grip and occasionally a drum.

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Sure.

What I'm saying, is that the significance of this new image is that we now have evidence that the QBU-191s in service have been utilized or experimented as a LSW, which we've speculated about and had image hints of, but nothing in this kind of capacity.

I.e. it's the difference between knowing something has been experimented on in a possible trials capacity versus something being actively utilized or experimented as such on an in service weapon.

Two more close-ups of the translucent magazines.

With Type-95 drum.

One difference between Chinese drums and quad magazine is that Chinese drums support adding tension to the spring manually.

I'm not really sure what to make out of the drum video. They show that it can be used but on the same time the non centered drum looks bad on a conventional rifle. Wouldn't they have made a centered drum like on type 81 LMG if they wanted it to be commonly used?

ohan_qwe said:

One difference between Chinese drums and quad magazine is that Chinese drums support adding tension to the spring manually.

I'm not really sure what to make out of the drum video. They show that it can be used but on the same time the non centered drum looks bad on a conventional rifle. Wouldn't they have made a centered drum like on type 81 LMG if they wanted it to be commonly used?

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Because the drum as shown is literally the same drum magazine used on QBZ 95 family rifles, which is designed to be offset for a bullpup rifle carried with right hand dominance.


Whether they will make a new dedicated centered drum magazine for the QBZ 191 family which has a conventional configuration, who knows. Personally I doubt the benefits are worth the investment, given they likely have substantial QBZ 95 drum magazines in stock and the QBU-191, and if it feeds well and is a known quantity, the relatively niche role of using QBU-191 in the LSW role probably doesn't warrant a clean sheet drum magazine.
Or who knows, maybe if it's relatively easy to do and want to seriously standardize it, they might.

Bltizo said:

Because the drum as shown is literally the same drum magazine used on QBZ 95 family rifles, which is designed to be offset for a bullpup rifle carried with right hand dominance.


Whether they will make a new dedicated centered drum magazine for the QBZ 191 family which has a conventional configuration, who knows. Personally I doubt the benefits are worth the investment, given they likely have substantial QBZ 95 drum magazines in stock and the QBU-191, and if it feeds well and is a known quantity, the relatively niche role of using QBU-191 in the LSW role probably doesn't warrant a clean sheet drum magazine.
Or who knows, maybe if it's relatively easy to do and want to seriously standardize it, they might.

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If their intent is indeed to give QBU-191 a dual DMR/IAR roles, then it's a matter eventuality that, with attrition, new drum mags will be developed.

The necessary adaptations shouldn't be that much of a challenge.

Or, like that of M27, just use standard mags.

Strangelove said:

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These News(?) departments always consistently have the worst photoshoots ever. Like why are they pointing their weapons at the city? How does this look good in any way?

Aniah said:

These News(?) departments always consistently have the worst photoshoots ever. Like why are they pointing their weapons at the city? How does this look good in any way?

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PLA needs to hire some Japanese photographers, they always get the best shots!