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QBZ-191 service rifle family
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They went with polymer for the current handguard for weight savings in the first place so who knows if they will even bother to remedy it through official channels. Might not even register as a priority considering mass procurement of decent gen 3 night vision is still a pipe dream for the PLA. And AFAIK there hasnt been official confirmation on what the material of the DMR's handguard is, though judging from pictures it might be polymer too.
There's also the issue of how they handle deployment specific purchases. Take UN Peacekeeping for example, where most of the time they don't even use what they'll be issued during pre deployment training (up until very very recently they weren't even training with body armor/plates). Look at CHNBATT for UNMISS too, where they introduce the novel (for Chinese industry at the time) body armor/LBV combo, but now 6 years have passed and they still haven't bothered to update it.
It's been a shame because there's a lot of private companies with untapped talent and potential that get overshadowed by the monopoly that state industries hold. Though with the rise of companies like kestrel doing direct contracts and end users demanding better, things might be starting to change for the better.
The ACP and Defender longbow didn't require much modification either, the latter of which literally being a one for one replacement for the carrying handle. As opposed to some of the Canadian T97 mods which had them cutting off the front and rear sight posts.
It still seems to be more of unit/individual level decision. Best case scenario is companies directly partnering with units and donating samples for evaluation like with kestrel. There's still a lot of backwards and stupid practices that require more structure and guidelines to remedy. For example sometimes the ones purchasing have no idea what they're doing and end up buying cheap garbage (which is how you end up with PAP SOF running plastic replica FAST helmets)
There's also the issue of how they handle deployment specific purchases. Take UN Peacekeeping for example, where most of the time they don't even use what they'll be issued during pre deployment training (up until very very recently they weren't even training with body armor/plates). Look at CHNBATT for UNMISS too, where they introduce the novel (for Chinese industry at the time) body armor/LBV combo, but now 6 years have passed and they still haven't bothered to update it.
It's been a shame because there's a lot of private companies with untapped talent and potential that get overshadowed by the monopoly that state industries hold. Though with the rise of companies like kestrel doing direct contracts and end users demanding better, things might be starting to change for the better.
I think a lot of these problems come from the usual lack of priority when it comes to the army in general. Compared to the AF and Navy, the army and ground troops get the lowest amount of funding and care.
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
We go through this now and again so reminder. It still seems like this is the accurate internal layout of the rifle.
Source TFB.
With this layout you cannot have a folding stock. The only way to retrofit such would require a system that only adds to the complexity of the weapon and sacrifices reliability. All for the addition of a feature that frankly doesn’t make the weapon any better. The only solid advantage of a folding stock is in storage. That is to say that when not in the field the stock could fold to allow for a smaller boxer overall length. But because of the buffer meant to reduce felt recoil to gain that you need to capture the buffer spring and hinge the receiver at the point where the buffer tube meets the lower. What does this do? It means the bolt and operating group are now exposed to the environment making them susceptible to foreign object jamming. It means that unlike MCX it cannot fire with a folded stock as the system will not be properly locked. Or able to properly cycle the bolt.
Now the Civilian AR15 has a system modification that does just that. But for civilians. Where it makes sense rarely are civilians actually operating AR15 in prolonged combat conditions. A guy at the range is far less likely to have issues of dust, mud or a broken lock on his hinge mod than infantry.
The PLA already had a folding stock rifle the QBZ03 in service. They also had the option of the CS/LR 17 aka the SinoSCAR which has a folding stock. They chose a buffer.
