QBZ-191 service rifle family

TerraN_EmpirE said:

It holds it better than the gen 1 AK 12. It’s not perfect I admit.

There is a better solution, Its one seen in a number of commercial AK clones in the U.S. and actually around the world.

Even the Russians and Kalashnikov Concern know this is actually the best solution to the problem. KC even makes a rifle based on that solution.
the Russian MOD just didn’t seem to want to make the move to it for their standard issue. They will do it for Civilian and potential export’s versions though.
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Image from M+M inc USA M10X

Take the Guts of the Ak and put it in a receiver set like an AR. A monolithic upper receiver with a lower receiver.

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Image via The Firearms Blog from Kalashnikov Concern of the AKV 521. This has been around since late 2020. Uses the AK12 gen 2 furniture.

It’s the same solution as the AR15, CZ Bren, Sig MCX, QBZ191 and many many more. An upper and lower receiver set. Farther the Russians have a rifle in service in parallel to the AK12 that has this the Kord family of rifles with selected Speznaz.
Mind you I think they could both use a rethink on material because although the furniture is polymer. The receivers are still Steel. As a result the AK12 weights as much as an M7 reduced weight version in the similar empty slight less configuration.

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sheen said:

I heard all iterations of monolithic uppers for AK designs always ends up with them weighing like a pig. Type 03 was kind of similar in regards to that the weight issue was never able to be resolved. Maybe a change in materials such as aluminum with internal rails for the the bolt to ride on, and whole lot of polymer elsewhere. But that might need a whole redesign and get expensive that the Russians military won't bite. Just my thoughts and ramble.

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RedMetalSeadramon said:

At that point you may we well as make a AR15.

AK system's strength lays in component reduction. One receiver, solid ejector so spare another spring, long stroke to spare a spring in the gas action, solid charging so no separate charging component, the selector even pseudo double as a safety.

Extending the front trunnion is viable. The 81 is a single piece trunnion with no separate upper gas portion, this can with some engineering be designed to extend until it functionally works as a solid upper receiver.

Other wise you mill 2 steel receivers which means it will be too heavy so you go to aluminum with steel chamber and lugs. By that point you might as well as make an AR.

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