QBZ-03 Assault Rifle

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I don't think Type 95 is a good rifle for left handed people. It would require a certain accessories attached to the cartrige dispenser area to block the spent cartrige from spitting onto the face of the left hand firer. I know how that suck, because when I was in the National Service using my old M16S1 (a Singapore adaption of the M16 rifle), I have seen how my left handed comrades spit and curse.

Considering most people are right hand dominant and the remaining people who are left handed naturally are trained to be right handed since childhood in Chinese culture and even in Asia in general. It isn't really a concern that I've noticed in most interviews of the grunts using them. Its the outside of China followers and analyst concerned about the lack of left-right usage, but not China itself. From all the feedback the troops give they haven't mentioned from my knowledge the lack of left handed usage. Add to that even it was catered for both left and right, who would be teaching the grunts to shoot left since everyone shoots right?

Thank you for the insight guys.

On the issue of the Type 03 being made for shorter, northern troops is just what I read on a thread about the weapon over at militaryphotos forums. It was never confirmed as fact and I was skeptical that this was the case anyway. Just doesen't seem to make much sense. I have noticed that the Type 03 is used by many frontier troops though. Until I know more concrete info it seems that this weapon is simply meant to supplement the Type 95, although if the bullpup rifle is adequete for all sorts of uses, from close combat and beyond, I don't see why the Type 03 was made except to address the Type 95's ergonomic problems or as an export weapon.

I would also like to know if there are any videos of the Type 03 being used as there are plenty of photographs of it being used in PLA marine excercises. I also did see it being used alongside it's bullpup counterpart which was interesting. One of my biggest questions about the Type 03 is also one of the most minor aspects which is the nature of the charging handle. Again, I find it to be in a awkward location if it is a reciprocating part when the rifle is fired.

I hope you do know that northern chinese people are physically bigger and taller then southern chinese people. And you do know conventional rifles are longer then bullpups since the whole purpose of bullpups is to be shorter then any other design. :coffee:
 

rhino123

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Considering most people are right hand dominant and the remaining people who are left handed naturally are trained to be right handed since childhood in Chinese culture and even in Asia in general. It isn't really a concern that I've noticed in most interviews of the grunts using them. Its the outside of China followers and analyst concerned about the lack of left-right usage, but not China itself. From all the feedback the troops give they haven't mentioned from my knowledge the lack of left handed usage. Add to that even it was catered for both left and right, who would be teaching the grunts to shoot left since everyone shoots right?

I think you are correct to say that... but this is not happening in Singapore :(

However Type 95 are not just eyeing on China alone... it is also for export, and sometime the difficulty for adaption to left hand usage of the weapon is going to be a bumper and it might even cause broke the deal.

One more thing I could think of as a disadvantage of the Type 95, was that the magazine was somewhere closer to the user's face when they are aiming the weapon. It is quite discomfortable. And in the case of a chamber explosion, it might cause more damage to the user's face.

The cartridge discharging mechanism is also very close to the body of the firer and so sometime it will spew hot spent cartridges onto the body of the soldiers.

All these are minimise in conventional layout rifle like the Type 03. Thus I think there are still a market for the Type 03...
 

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The video in the first link you provided has type 03 pic at the corner of the screen. However, all the video in action are type 95.

Oops. Sorry about that. I haven't been through these video, couldn't assess to them when I am in my company which bar all these videos. And forget about it when I went home:p. I'll try to be more careful in the future.:D
 

duskylim

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Actually from what I have read, they did mentioned something on the high sight of a typical bullpup rifle. And from some of our members, they mentioned that the sight is actually located on the carrying handle rather than in line with the rifle itself. I believe this might not be by choice. The main issue is the awkward magazine location in which it was loaded somewhere at the stock of the rifle. Thus it the sight was impossible to be inline with the rifle.

For conventional rifle like the AK-47, AK-74, M16 etc, it is possible because the magazine is located infront. Although basic variant of the M16, had its sight also somewhere on the carrying handle, but the weapon is highly customisable, the carrying handle, I believe can be remove (can't really remember, it had been around ten years since I last have any contact with one, and even that one is not the same one as those used in US).

Sometime it is not up to the comfort of individual soldiers and whether they are used to it or not. The main problem would arise in certain cases whereby when they have use higher aiming sight, they would tends to expose themselves more in order to aim and fire their weapon, thus it might give them a bit more risk.

If you have ever handled and studied an M-16, then you would know that it pretty much pioneered the placement of the rear sights in the carrying handle.

I was an armourer for 2 years here in the Philippines and trained with M-16s, M-1 Garand's, M-2 carbines and M-1903 Springfields (which are about as 'conventional as they get) and I can tell you despite the so-called 'unconventional placement' of the the rear sight, the M-16 is by far the easiest to train and shoot with.

The M-16's flatter trajectory, lightweight, low recoil and relatively lower noise make it much easier to shoot and hold on target.

The M-1 Garand and M-1903 Springfield will roll your whole upper torso when fired, removing your sight picture. The M-16 will 'jab' you slightly back - no problem maintaining the target in your field of vision ('sight picture').

I have also fired the AK-47, (we had a Chinese made Type 56) and can say that it recoils somewhat intermediate between the Garand and the Armalite.

As to the placement of the magazine, on the Armalite and Kalashnikov, in the dark you can feel with both hands for the magazine which is immediately in front of the trigger guard, so with little practice it becomes second nature.

On a bullpup, I would expect it to be a little more difficult and awkward, but IMHO, the weight and length saved by the design would still be worth it.

As to the issues of greater blast and flash, those are pretty much inherent in a bullpup design having the muzzle much closer to the shooters' face.

One way to significantly reduce these effects would be to lengthen the barrel - and thus get better muzzle velocity and flatter trajectory in the bargain to boot.

The whole thing actually revolves around the issue of training and getting used to your weapon.

Unless your rifle actually blows up in your face (which has happened here several times with locally manufactured M-16s - made in 2 factories one in Limay, Bataan and the other in Fort Magsaysay, Nueva Ecija), and can reliably hit a target with reasonable accuracy, then is a good weapon.

Seems to me all these 'one-child' family soldiers are a bunch of complaining sissy's. Going to war is not a picnic.

I never heard of any complaints from users of the Steyr AUG (like Australia) about magazine placement and cartridge ejection issues, so I pretty much see this not as a design issue but as a training issue.
 
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If you have ever handled and studied an M-16, then you would know that it pretty much pioneered the placement of the rear sights in the carrying handle.

Yes, I have handled M16 before, and is quite good with it (almost winning the marksman badge) when I was in the Army ten plus years ago. Cannot say that I love the M16 though... maybe it was the quality of the Singapore made M16S1... it just feel fragile...

I also handled another antiquate rifle SAR-80which is somewhat a b.s rifle. It is heavy, and the recoil somehow throw the aim sideward.

I am not sure what made was the phillipine M16... ours is the old M16A1 rifle locally manufactured as the M16S1.

And yes, it is a very accurate weapon, with very low recoil that tend to push backward, instead of up, so accuracy is more or less confirmed.

I agree with you that the rear sight of the M16 was located at the carrying handle. However the magazine is located infront, so it is really not that awkward to carry and use. Never really use a bullpub before, but from what my friends in the army told me, it will get some getting use to when they convert to using Singapore make SAR21.
 

duskylim

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Dear rhino123:

Sir, the Philippine M-16 is the M16A1 series made under license by the Elisco Tool Company (ELITOOL) - using 2nd hand (used) tooling from the Armalite Corporation.

It has the 20 inch aluminum barrel and the 55 grain bullet with a muzzle velocity of around 980 to 990 meters per second.

It cannot fire the new SS-109 round, which will destroy the barrel.

It uses the old triangular-section fiberglass front hand guard with air holes on top and bottom - yup not even the ribbed later version.

It has the forward-assist assembly (FAA), and uses tooling aluminum in the receiver.

Like most M-16's it tends to jam easily - especially if the user neglects to clean it regularly.
 

Mith252

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Never really use a bullpub before, but from what my friends in the army told me, it will get some getting use to when they convert to using Singapore make SAR21.

Hi, anyway, I have used the SAR21 before and I have to say it quite the good weapon. I finished my National Service about a year ago. Anyway, got a marksman with it. My only problem with it is that it is a little heavier than
M16S1. Had a hard time trying to clear SOC with it but still manage to pass. I think the world is adopting to a bullpup design as it is more ergonomical. I felt more comfortable using the SAR21 in urban ops as compared to M16.;)
 

rhino123

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Yeah... maybe it all come down to personal preference. I am used to using M16 and M16 type of rifle. Been trained to use the M16S1 and SAR80 (don't know if it is still in service), the only complain other than M16S1 felt fragile, is pretty much what dustylim had summed up (prone to jamming).

Never had any experience with AK series of rifle, but if it really as simple to operate and as durable as advertise... I think I am sold!

As for SAR21, it is a pretty rifle... very advance looking...
 

noone536

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i had to say that the world might evloved to have more bullup design since it is better used in an urban enviroment and since now day more and more countries are getting develop meaning tomorow war will most likely take place in an urban enviroment
 
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