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sami_1

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mshrief303 said:
That's called incremental progres. Block 1 & 2 was not good, but pakistan walked the ladder incrementally to get Block 3 which have an AESA radar and the ability to use PL-12 & PL-15. And in comparison, the peak of egypt air force is Mig-29m have missiles that have theoritacal range comparable with PL-12 but doesn't have AESA radar, Rafale has the radar but only with MICA for ~80km range. So JF-17 block 3 beats both.

Egypt could have got the ability to participate in manufuctring a 4gen aircraft, they didn't historically make or even participate in 1nd,2nd or 3rd Gen aircraft. This deal was a game changer for the industralization for the middle east & Africa
and Egypt could field it in high number 100-200 aircraft, and can diverse their arsenal with some turkish armaments & sub components for instance.
Egypt can use to enlarge their base to maintain and use Chinese aircraft, and ease the integration of high end aircraft like J-35AE.
If something happen for either of them, the other can tap its industry and help them.
Pakistan & Egypt can make joint excersice for the network of countries who used it or are interested in it...etc

It's a fighter that provides a base for all countries to protect their Airspace with minimum economic cost with a non-western partner that's reliable which is China.

Any talk about "it didn't meet this requirement" or "It's worse than X aircraft" only talk about individual platform specs, but fails in strategy and defence economics. And even then, they avoid mentioning the fact that their "precious" fighters like F-16 can't field long range weapons that reach 100km because of US interference -- let alone beyond that range.
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Despite Turkish propaganda suggesting Egypt is invited to participate in the KAAN aircraft project, I personally believe it will not reach completion. Even Egypt's manufacturing of parts of the Rafale's airframe and M88 engine components, even to a greater extent than publicly announced, is unlikely. However, the real cooperation will most likely be with China, not just in terms of purchasing but also in terms of licensed production. Information about this is expected to emerge around 2027, primarily concerning guarantees of actual implementation.
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Egypt's priority now is the production of munitions and missiles for fighter jets and UCAF aircraft, as well as expanding its UCAF program. This is also being pursued extensively with China, and partially with Turkey, Pakistan, Belarus, Serbia, and even the UAE, which serves as a front for Egyptian projects.
 
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Despite Turkish propaganda suggesting Egypt is invited to participate in the KAAN aircraft project, I personally believe it will not reach completion. Even Egypt's manufacturing of parts of the Rafale's airframe and M88 engine components, even to a greater extent than publicly announced, is unlikely. However, the real cooperation will most likely be with China, not just in terms of purchasing but also in terms of licensed production. Information about this is expected to emerge around 2027, primarily concerning guarantees of actual implementation.
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Egypt's priority now is the production of munitions and missiles for fighter jets and UCAF aircraft, as well as expanding its UCAF program. This is also being pursued extensively with China, and partially with Turkey, Pakistan, Belarus, Serbia, and even the UAE, which serves as a front for Egyptian projects.
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I hope that Egypt make a deal to license production with China, and I think they're working on it even so it's not assured to happen.
But that would be in the future, and it'll need time to manifest. What I was talking about earlier was a capability that they should have worked on in the past, and they can use it right now to arm themselves and their allies.

Egypt is running out of time, there's a lot of dangers around and they've a very high risk of getting attacked. Nevertheless, I hope they move faster and complete deals, so that they can defend themselves and win the next war instead of getting into survival mode because they don't have the capability to win.
 
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I don't think Egypt will choose the J-35; choosing the KAAN would be more politically ideal.

KAAN's progress looks fast, even if it doesn't Choosing the Korean KF21 also seems safer.
 
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CHNPHD said:
I don't think Egypt will choose the J-35; choosing the KAAN would be more politically ideal.

KAAN's progress looks fast, even if it doesn't Choosing the Korean KF21 also seems safer.
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Both use US engines, KF-21 is a nothing burger for Egypt as it doesn't offer any autonomy out of US, KAAN is a future choice in 2032-2035 when they get a Turkish engine, as US will not allow the sale if it uses US's Engines.

Until then the safer, better and the perfect deal will be J-35, anything else than that is because Egypt weaknesses and inefficiencies which led them to take an inferior option.
 
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mshrief303 said:
Both use US engines, KF-21 is a nothing burger for Egypt as it doesn't offer any autonomy out of US, KAAN is a future choice in 2032-2035 when they get a Turkish engine, as US will not allow the sale if it uses US's Engines.

Until then the safer, better and the perfect deal will be J-35, anything else than that is because Egypt weaknesses and inefficiencies which led them to take an inferior option.
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KAAN project was inherently unfeasible. The Americans wouldn't supply the engines to the Turks because Turkey would attempt to overthrow their regime. The KF-21 aircraft uses American engines, and this is the same problem Egypt faced when it didn't receive the GE-404 engine for its FA-50 aircraft. Therefore, the project was never implemented, and no contracts were signed. Israeli and American interests aim to weaken both Egypt and Turkey. The Egyptians are using the KAAN project as leverage against other suppliers—France, China, and Russia—to secure better technology transfer and price offers, nothing more.
 
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Gonna (maybe overly) read into some talks on Weibo a bit about J-35AE.

It sounds like (from a couple/few people) the vibe is that, the customer might be an "exciting" one, and that we should "look forward to it". And I assume Pakistan is the "boring" answer.

Kinda like what Deino said here. Of course, it's just a read into the vibes. Could totally turn out to be nothing

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051188439249252501
 
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00CuriousObserver said:
Gonna (maybe overly) read into some talks on Weibo a bit about J-35AE.

It sounds like (from a couple/few people) the vibe is that, the customer might be an "exciting" one, and that we should "look forward to it". And I assume Pakistan is the "boring" answer.

Kinda like what Deino said here. Of course, it's just a read into the vibes. Could totally turn out to be nothing

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051188439249252501
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Hi,
probably Deino is right about someone else behind can be KSA is funding the project to keep one squad under the PAF belt in KSA & another one in Pakistan let’s see until unless there is another airforce outside western shadows how can manage to keep Chinese technology flag high in air
thank you
 
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zhangjim

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00CuriousObserver said:
Gonna (maybe overly) read into some talks on Weibo a bit about J-35AE.

It sounds like (from a couple/few people) the vibe is that, the customer might be an "exciting" one, and that we should "look forward to it". And I assume Pakistan is the "boring" answer.

Kinda like what Deino said here. Of course, it's just a read into the vibes. Could totally turn out to be nothing

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051188439249252501
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I think the real buyer is Saudi Arabia. They can get Pakistanis to use these fighters. But these planes cannot be directly provided to Pakistan, otherwise we will soon see the Turkey announcing new progress in their fighter jets（KAAN）.
 
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zhangjim said:
I think the real buyer is Saudi Arabia. They can get Pakistanis to use these fighters. But these planes cannot be directly provided to Pakistan, otherwise we will soon see the Turkey announcing new progress in their fighter jets（KAAN）.
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Hi,
lets settle to your thought for this time but how will they KSA will integrate these J35 into their airforce though Saudis are not operating any SAM, awacs(Chines) so until unless they start using Chinese awacs with china made SAM integrated systems etc J35 will be like a toy in their hands, on the other hand PAF already operating Chinese systems with with electronic warfare systems and with awacs too with their own link17, so let’s see who will get it first KSA or PAF.
thank you
 
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