Potential backfire from Google Ban

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With the huge Chinese smart phone customer base, I have no doubt that the app designer will be more than willing to developed app for billion people It is just matter of time Here is some news about Hong Meng via Adam Wang

Huawei's operating system "Hongmeng (Primordial world)" is on standby, China's first unique system at your service
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As we all know, the United States has included Huawei in the "list of entities". It is hoped that this will block Huawei's chip path. In addition, the Android system currently used by Huawei is likely to be banned.

In the face of this emergency, Huawei will implement the Plan B and launch Huawei's self-developed operating system in addition to its own spare chip. Recently, some netizens exposed Huawei's own system on Weibo. It is understood that the system is named "Hongmeng". According to the information currently exposed, the system has been optimized for Linux and is already open source. In addition, the system has been used in Huawei mobile phones!




According to relevant information, Huawei's Hongmeng system integrates EROFS and Ark compilers on the ground floor, which can improve the performance of Android system several times! In fact, as early as March of this year, Yu Chengdong said in an interview with the media that Huawei is already developing its own operating system! Previously, the words of Ren Zhengfei, the founder of Huawei, also made us remember: "We do the same thing with operating systems and high-end chips. We mainly let others allow us to use them instead of breaking our food and breaking us. When it comes to food, the backup system should be able to use it."




Having said that, developing an operating system has always been a very difficult task. Before Microsoft spent more than $20 billion on developing Windows Vista, Linux also cost about $10 billion. In addition to funds, it also requires a certain amount of technology. When Apple developed the iOS system, it was also after the second development and improvement that it was what it is today.

However, in terms of Huawei's current strength, it is only a small problem in terms of capital and technology. The biggest problem is in the software and hardware ecosystem. If there is no rich software to support it, the operating system is only a platform. In the two worlds of Android and iOS, other operating systems want to get a piece of it is very difficult, but under the impetus of the United States, Huawei's opportunity is coming! I believe that with Huawei's current strength, we can persuade application developers to form a unified team with themselves and develop their own software and hardware ecosystem! According to Huawei's internal voice, the self-developed operating system is a backup plan in an extreme environment, and it is not intended to replace a partner.




In any case, the popularity of the operating system has arrived, and perhaps after the Huawei operating system matures, domestic smartphone manufacturers will usher in a major change.

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Latest news from a tech media Weibo account about Huawei's new OS, please take it with a grain of salt

"Huawei's Consumer Products CEO Chengdong Yu has revealed that Huawei's own OS will be released to customers at the earliest this Fall and latest by Spring next year. The new OS will unify systems on phones, wearable, smart TVs, cars, tablets, and will be compatible with existing Android apps and Web apps. If Android apps are re-compiled, they will run 60% faster on Huawei's new OS."

Again, take it with a grain of salt. For one we cannot verify this piece of news and also even if it is true we have no way of knowing if Huawei can deliver.

But alas, we now know for sure that Huawei is working on such a thing and it will only be a matter of time, within this year or next year, that we will see it.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

“Surrender”
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.“

The spin has been strong of late because of the economic dealings between the US and China. I find it ironically humorous that the thing that President Trump rilled against the most. The Trade imbalance between China and the US turned into the greatest tool for him to inflict his displeasure. But that’s OT.
I am not going to go into the whole 5G thing but OS alone.

The story lists the two most popular Mobile OS.
Google’s Alphabet’s Android, which is popular because just about everyone who makes mobile smart devices uses a fork of it.
As such it has an extensive apps store and plentiful supply of Phones, “Phabets”, tablets and even lap tops.
I have used three devices of this type ZTE Maven <Broke on me in 2 months> ASUS<broke on me in two weeks>
Samsung <lasted 2 years, still have it just letting the last of my minutes die>
The lions share of the smart device market is Droids at over 74%

Apple’s IOS. Despite what people think IPhone was about the fourth smart phone IBM Simon was the first. ThenNOKIA 9000Series followed by the Blackberry.
But the secret sauces of the IPhone set the mold for successive smart devices. The touch screen face display that was in full color and apps store that allowed rapid tailoring became the norm to this day. Blackberry was a texting machine. Nokia 9000 and the IBM Simon were a decade to early with black and white or black and gold LCD screens and limited by the apps on the market. Fine for a game of snake or texting but you can’t watch GOT on the train with them. Apple drove that media right into people’s pockets.

<I currently own both a Apple IPhone8 and a Apple IPad Mini 4 both bought in the last 6 months. I bought the IPad first then the IPhone for the sake of commonality between them. Neither are the newest of the line I am well aware.>

Apple right now is actually in a bit of a slump. iPhone sales have been falling well the price point is going back up. When IPhone first launched it was a virtual monopoly, but with Android as the ubiquitous OS and made by just about every maker other than Apple the brand has slipped back. There is obviously still demand. A plentiful apps store and every time I have visited a brick and mortar Apple store it’s packed wall to wall with people. Even when I bought my IPhone at the AT&T store there were other people drooling over the latest IPhone X. Despite being proprietary it holds ~22% of the industry.

These two are the Giants but there have been others.
Remember Windows?

Microsoft Windows Phone OS was supposed to be the third option using Microsoft as the base it launched on Nokia phones. The OS worked. <I was a launch costumer with a lower end device> but the biggest issue was the apps store. It was empty. I used that phone almost 3 years. It was durable it was reliable it was functional it never had a wide variety of apps beyond the stock offerings on the phone. Eventually I hear they got more but that was long after I had traded in my phone for an Android. It’s still active but sits at about .28% of the industry

kaiOS
What? Seriously there are more MOS already and KaiOS is one of them it’s a fork of the attempt at a Firefox OS. The likely third option emerging at .81%

There are others they all sit in that less that 1% range.

And we have heard of a Chinese OS before
Yuanxi OS
Remember that one? Back in 2014 it was supposed to be China’s Apple mincer/Droid killer. Have yet to hear anything more for the last 5 years.

There are others still but it’s not a question of getting the OS to work. It’s a question of getting users to buy and apps makers to write for you. Many an OS emerged only to fall due to lack of interest leading to makers no longer support it or it being a labor of love OS updated by fan programmers.

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Device popularity and App Ecosystem popularity is interwoven. A popular device will drive more app developers to its App Ecosystem, and a popular App Ecosystem will drive more consumers to buy compatible devices. The probability of a Huawei App Ecosystem taking off is related to the popularity, or lack thereof, of its competitors, which at this point mostly consists of Samsung and LG.

If Huawei can convince those two to work together with it to develop a common App market, then they can offer a credible alternative to Google Play. Both, incidentally, are already offering their own app markets, so there is definitely a desire to break Google's monopoly in this.

Hahaha, following Chinese tech now is just like following its military developments. I'm getting the same kind of rush to when I first follow the unveiling of the J-20.

Having said this, I've been noticing a sort of consensus among comments around the internet on this US/Google ban. It would seem that Trump might have inadvertently opened Pandora's Box. Instead of the intent of harming Huawei or Chinese tech, this might actually be far worse for Google / American tech. A sort of "own goal' or "unforced error", really, on the US' part.

Many comments or YouTube videos not by the mainstream media are actually rooting for Huawei. Many of them are personally formulating ways (maybe as a mental challenge) for Huawei to get around this ban. I mean nobody has ever really thought of any need to replace any Google app, but now many seems to be having a great time discussing it.

xiabonan said:

Latest news from a tech media Weibo account about Huawei's new OS, please take it with a grain of salt

"Huawei's Consumer Products CEO Chengdong Yu has revealed that Huawei's own OS will be released to customers at the earliest this Fall and latest by Spring next year. The new OS will unify systems on phones, wearable, smart TVs, cars, tablets, and will be compatible with existing Android apps and Web apps. If Android apps are re-compiled, they will run 60% faster on Huawei's new OS."

Again, take it with a grain of salt. For one we cannot verify this piece of news and also even if it is true we have no way of knowing if Huawei can deliver.

But alas, we now know for sure that Huawei is working on such a thing and it will only be a matter of time, within this year or next year, that we will see it.

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It sounds a bit too good to be true, I would not be surprised there is quite a bit of marketing hype in that. As described, it would be the holy grail of Huawei's software goals.

If compatible with Android then this sounds more like a Fork, rather then a totally new OS.
That would speed introduction as it would be a derivative of Android rather than a whole new thing.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

If compatible with Android then this sounds more like a Fork, rather then a totally new OS.
That would speed introduction as it would be a derivative of Android rather than a whole new thing.

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Yes of course, a fork can be done quickly, just slap a new UI on it and call it a "new" OS.

Problem is, how do you keep that fork in sync with the rest of Android? If you keep updating it, then why even call it a new OS?

I suspect that's where the marketing talk comes into play. They said it would be compatible with existing Adroid apps, nothing about future apps.

Perhaps the intention is to keep it compatible with Android until they can build their own ecosystem and transition out.

It wouldn't be a bad idea at all, not an elegant solution, but a practical one.

Shaolian said:

Hahaha, following Chinese tech now is just like following its military developments. I'm getting the same kind of rush to when I first follow the unveiling of the J-20.

Having said this, I've been noticing a sort of consensus among comments around the internet on this US/Google ban. It would seem that Trump might have inadvertently opened Pandora's Box. Instead of the intent of harming Huawei or Chinese tech, this might actually be far worse for Google / American tech. A sort of "own goal' or "unforced error", really, on the US' part.

Many comments or YouTube videos not by the mainstream media are actually rooting for Huawei. Many of them are personally formulating ways (maybe as a mental challenge) for Huawei to get around this ban. I mean nobody has ever really thought of any need to replace any Google app, but now many seems to be having a great time discussing it.

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I think most people in the non-Anglo world, including in many European countries are pretty tired of the incessant bullying and heavy handedness of Washington and American tech companies.

This incident may actually be a hidden blessing for Huawei if they can properly take advantage of it. I think there is a lot of global sympathy for Huawei because they are seen as being persecuted due to only building superior products and no wrongdoing of their own.

I think they need to carefully craft their new OS system and make sure that it is functionally superior to the Play Store. Also, it needs to be decentralized system as much as possible so that it can be seen as a more independent option than the Playstore or the Apple IOS. I think if they can package an excellent product with their OS, it can quickly become a rival to the Playstore. Also, Huawei and the other Chinese smartphone makers need to establish an alliance in building their new supply lines and even support for a new OS that Huawei will be spearheading. It is in all of their mutual interest because this incident shows that they could easily be the next target.

Try to strangle Huawei is not going to work It only result in the loss of market for American semiconductor and google . Huawei and other tech company will only redouble their effort to become independent from outside supplier
Anyway most chinese smart phone does not use google app so moving to other android OS is not big deal for them Here is a good article by Pepe escobar for AT

Why capturing Huawei is no victory in tech war
Chinese firm is a queen on tech chessboard, but Beijing will just tell its whiz-kids to reach the next level

ByPepe Escobar

It’s geopolitical, geoeconomic war. Cold, so far, but now about to descend to deep freeze. The US unmistakably spells it out. China is a strategic competitor and must be contained, no holds barred, on all fronts: economic, military and most of all, technological.

Enter the current, concerted offensive across the spectrum, from 5G and AI to moves attempting to prevent the coming of globalization 2.0. Add to it maximum pressure all over the world to prevent nations from joining the New Silk Roads, or Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), the organizing foreign policy concept for China in the foreseeable future and the strategic road map for Eurasian integration up to 2049.

It’s all interconnected; the Trump administration’s trade war, Google blocking Huawei from the enhanced Android OS, the demonization of Belt and Road. It’s all about control of global supply chains and technological infrastructure.

Huawei is not a pawn but the Queen in the tech-war chessboard. In an environment where

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, Huawei is already first among equals. From techno-scientific knowledge to applied research and creative market solutions, China tech is posing a concerted “threat” to American tech. This is the heart of the geopolitical and geoeconomic clash between the hegemon and the aspiring superpower.

Pressure over Germany, UK and Italy, for instance, based on a fuzzy “economic aggression” concept, won’t force these industrialized nations to discard Huawei, because they can profit from Huawei’s leadership on 5G to create their own ‘smart’ or safe cities.

Fragmenting global supply chains – as the Trump administration is aiming at – also does not cut it, as interdependence still rules. Some 22% of Huawei products carry US components, and the Snapdragon chip from American Qualcomm is featured in most Chinese smartphones.

What matters most is how Made in China is coming up with creative total packages, privileging added value for business, as it targets a mass of global customers, private and corporate. This process is at the heart of Made in China 2025, which aims to sever dependence on Western technology and configure China as a global leader in AI, cloud services, the Internet of Things (IoT), industrial automation 4.0, biotechnology, aerospace. Goodbye low-cost mass manufacturing. Hello to a cloud of emerging technologies.

‘Asianomics’ is the way to go
In ‘ venture capitalist Kai-Fu Lee, with decades of experience on both sides of the tech pond, conclusively shows how technology “will drive a wedge between the AI superpowers and the rest of the world, and may divide society along class lines” miming “dystopian science fiction.”

The US and China are already AI superpowers because, apart from top talent and research labs, they can count on “a large base of users and a vibrant entrepreneurial and venture-capital ecosystem”.

Across Eurasia, following the BRI footprint, China is bound to rule, on 5G and AI, from Southeast Asia to Southwest Asia and all the way to Africa.

That leaves Western Europe as the key geoeconomic battleground, on internet and internet services, to be conquered by Huawei and other Chinese tech companies. It’s always important to remember that a great majority of so-called US “allies” – especially in Asia but also in vast swathes of Europe – now do more trade or investment with China than with the US.

5G will establish a new techno paradigm in robotics applied to industrial production, remote control surgery, new AI-driven transportation solutions, the logistics of distribution, and scores of other specialized fields. Think, for instance, shipping containers engaged in autonomous communication – in a high-speed free flow of interconnection.

In this new environment, Huawei is leaner, meaner, cheaper, more innovative, and their products consume less energy. Add to it that Chinese companies are keen to experiment with telecom operators, for instance investing in research centers and labs in Europe, such as the Huawei Transparency and Cyber Security Center in Brussels.

Not only China, but Asia as a whole is becoming the privileged 21st-century tech development engine. Welcome, thus, to “Asianomics”.

This means that Huawei, even under attack by the US government and spurned by Google, will have no problems finding other Chinese and Asian suppliers. In fact, count on Beijing to forcefully rally all China tech majors to develop all component technologies that China still lacks. Precedents abound. Let’s take a look at one of the most important.

Totoro said:

For Huawei to do it, it'd have to battle both iOS and Android. It's doable, sure. But Huawei would need to pump a ton of money into it and it would still take years. Developers won't just populate Huawei app store on their own. Most apps get used not because Huawei tells users to use them but because the popular culture and word of mouth direct customers towards specific apps. Customers won't just buy the new OS phone all of a sudden, when so many things that they're used to are lacking.

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Yes, but Huawei does not need to recreate every app. Sure, it might need it's own maps app and email client app if Google no longer provides, but most other apps would be the same as on Google Play Store and Apple Store. It is in the interest of app makers to try to capture segments of the Chinese and other non US markets, by making versions of their apps for the Huawei OS. And again, it's not like ten years ago when you would need separate codebase for iOS and Android, so it's not that much of an investment for app developers. Lastly, I would hope itd be a common OS across all Chinese (and possibly non Chinese) phone makers one day, so it wouldn't just be Huawei having to shoulder all the costs.