PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

franco-russe

Senior Member
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

We cannot know, of course, but there have never been more than 8 submarines at Daxiedao.

There are probably 10 YUAN. The GE image of Yulin that A. Man posted in the South Sea Bases thread shows one YUAN in addition to 4 KILO's.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

We cannot know, of course, but there have never been more than 8 submarines at Daxiedao.

There are probably 10 YUAN. The GE image of Yulin that A. Man posted in the South Sea Bases thread shows one YUAN in addition to 4 KILO's.

Ok so in 1996 China ordered 4 Killos and 8 more units in 2001 making 12 units

There is 13 song in operation which means 12+13+10=35 SSK

Not a bad force
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Ok so in 1996 China ordered 4 Killos and 8 more units in 2001 making 12 units

There is 13 song in operation which means 12+13+10=35 SSK

Not a bad force

you haven't included Mings, there are 17 Mings. I know it is obsolete against Japanese SSK, but heyyy ... it is still better than most of SSK in the region, including the Taiwanese ones. And they are in operational state and most of them are relatively new (built in 1990s)

No country in the region (apart from Japan, SK and perhaps Taiwan) is able to detect Ming, so in theory, 1 single Ming could destroy the whole Philippines navy :) or destroy big part of Vietnamese navy
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Remember that vietnam got kilos, and in addition, it will receive 6 improved kilos (varshavyanka class) from russia beginning this year until 2016. So, no, dont be that optimistic.

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If Vietnam receive Kilo in 2013 it will take them another 10 years to be proficient in running the submarine . set up the maintenance base and develop the tactic. By then the Kilo will be obsolete.
While China know inside out the weakness of the Kilo. Vietnam will face and uphill battle

It normally take 10 years to master submarine operation from scratch just ask Singapore navy
 
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antiterror13

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Remember that vietnam got kilos, and in addition, it will receive 6 improved kilos (varshavyanka class) from russia beginning this year until 2016. So, no, dont be that optimistic.

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you are comparing current single Ming and future Vietnamese Kilo :) .... you are better than that, for sure

I am almost certain 1 single Ming (now) could make a big damage to Vietnamese navy, even if they had received the Kilos, it would take years to be able to operate them effectively and remember China knows Kilo very well.

Buying 6 Kilos for $2B for Vietnam is a big mistake, it will drain much of defence budget resources (which is very small, only $2.4B). The analogy is like China to buy weapons worth $100B or the USA to buy weapons worth $600B
 

A.Man

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

A Better Quality Photo

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kroko

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

While China know inside out the weakness of the Kilo. Vietnam will face and uphill battle

It normally take 10 years to master submarine operation from scratch just ask Singapore navy

Remember that vietnam already operates kilos. So its not exactly new to them. In addition, the deal with russia also stipulates that vietnamese crews get trained in russia.

Dont underestimate the vietnamese navy
 

plawolf

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Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Remember that vietnam already operates kilos. So its not exactly new to them. In addition, the deal with russia also stipulates that vietnamese crews get trained in russia.

Dont underestimate the vietnamese navy

Since when?

I think Vietnam has made big strategic mistakes in copying China's Russian arms purchases.

The Kilos are good boats, but China also has them and has had them for quite some time. That means that China knows full well the strengths, weaknesses, capabilities and limits of the Kilo, and of all the SSKs in the world, the PLAN would know the most, and be best equipped, trained and practiced at finding and killing Kilos.

It's a repeat of the the mistakes the Vietnamese air force made if recent rumors of PLAAF J10s completely owning them in EW during recent encounters are correct.

Even if the reports are bogus, the PLAAF pilots would still hold a massive advantage in the event of war because they would have had spent years flying with, or against the exact type of aircraft the Vietnamese are flying, and would know them as well as the Vietnamese pilots themselves and would also have found and developed many special moves to take advantage of any weaknesses and limitations in the Flanker design.

When you are fighting a superior enemy, the only real advantage that you might have that would allow you to overcome the enemy's qualitative and/or quantitative superiority is the element of surprise. That is why China guards its military secrets so jealously, but that element of surprise is what Vietnam is relinquishing by using the same equipment as China.
 

kroko

Senior Member
Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Since when?

Sorry. You are right. Vietnam doesnt possess kilo submarines. Not yet.

but that element of surprise is what Vietnam is relinquishing by using the same equipment as China.

I think that the real problem behind this is that not many nations are willing to sell them weapons. Not unlike china.
 
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