PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)

Jovian

Junior Member
If you want to understand the purpose behind the latest "island building" projects in the South China Sea (by PRC), try finding out how each countries are re-supplying their respective islands today. You can find a YouTube (report) on how the Philippines re-supply their island and reef (claims, see the "BRP Sierra Madre" report), and there are some photos that give some hints on Vietnam's processes.

Basically it comes down to building docks that can load or (more importantly) unload supplies. That tend to make enormous differences. Let's face it, no one will want to fight a "naval battle" in the South China Sea (and that's a good thing). Therefore this is a case of out lasting the others. Everyone are waiting for others to leave. That's how the Philippines lost an island to the Vietnamese (I think, can anyone confirm?) sometime ago.

Re-supplying of island bases which have wide stretches of shallow surroundings is not an easy task. Multiply that difficult task by the number of days, weeks, months and years, and you will start getting a sense of the problem. In future, the Chinese's "garrisons" can be resupplied by bigger tonnage ships (that can carry more supplies). Furthermore, these ships can unload at the garrisons' dock (directly); compare that to previous scenarios where they needed to unload their supplies onto smaller boats first.

So, in short the docks that are currently under constructions are the main game in the current "island building" projects. Any airstrips that can be build are just bonuses. The PLAN will likely NOT want to base anything like submarines or warships (long-term) at these island. However, the Chinese Coast Guard is another matter altogether. Just imagine how far the Chinese Coast Guard ships have to travel to patrol their claims today. Just think about the fuel and food bills (just naming two) today!

Can any one else in the region match what the Chinese are doing? Not at the moment (I think). However, once these "new" island becomes "operational", the other claimants will likely see the benefits of having docks for their respective claims. The age old question is how to fund it in the first place, and how to convince your people (and nation) of the need to fund it. Also, some countries like Vietnam or Philippines might not need projects of similar scale: by the fact that their claims are closer to their "home supply bases". However, having someone like China building on such scale, there will be significant pressure to match them (the Chinese) in this case.

The biggest sour point for me, is the destruction of the reefs, but that's a subject (for discussion) for a different kind of forum.

Jovian
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
true the destruction of the reef is a bad thing ... but the scale is negligible, we are talking only a few km2 out of thousands km2 .. and after a few years (5-10 yrs) would be unnoticeable. It is in Chinese interest to keep the area beautiful or even enhance it for tourism ... hence big revenue
 

Jovian

Junior Member
I don't really want to discuss coral reef in this forum, but the point is, coral will not grow back that fast. They need some "structure" to grow from. If the water is too deep, and the sea bed is just sand, then they will not grow. So once the reef is reclaimed all the way to the edge (of the reef), there will barely be any space left for new coral to form or grow. That's how I understand it anyway (please let me know if I am wrong).

In regard to the "claims" in the South China Sea, this is (perhaps) why the reefs are so important to everyone. Otherwise a country like China would have "build" an island from some empty region of the sea. Everyone needed some reef to build an island, and those reef took ... tens of thousands of years (?) to form. Furthermore, no one today can reclaim land or build island in deep water regions, at least not economically with the technology we have now.

Jovian
 
I think there are plans to make some of these islands into tourist resorts. Zhubi (Subi) and Meiji (Mischief) islands are large enough for the development of the natural tourism resources. It would be great for Chinese tourists as these islands are closer to China and there are no language, currency or visa problems. It would eliminate the "ugly Chinese tourist abroad" problem too. lol.

SCMP reported that there is a flood of tourists to Palau Island(s) and not all the locals are happy. Palau is located in Western Pacific ocean and shares
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Chinese tourist invasion transforms remote Palau… and not everyone is happy
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Nothing that can't be fixed by a little education requirement and some enforced rules, visitor quotas will help control overcrowding but won't prevent bad behavior or root out bad apples. Palau should require all visitors to watch a video upon arriving to be taught proper behavior around wildlife and be educated about locally appropriate behavior. Back it up with fines to be paid before leaving or keep a running tab with visitors' home countries, immediate bans to other attractions, blacklisting against future visits, price hikes, and so on. Tourism is messy business for any popular destination.
 

ahojunk

Senior Member
It's been some time without anyone posting pictures.

This one shows the comparisons of the multi-story buildings in Gaven, Hughes and Johnson South islands. The pics were taken in February and March this year.

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My opinion - they are very similar. It makes lots of sense, to use similar design as this saves time and money.
 

delft

Brigadier
I don't really want to discuss coral reef in this forum, but the point is, coral will not grow back that fast. They need some "structure" to grow from. If the water is too deep, and the sea bed is just sand, then they will not grow. So once the reef is reclaimed all the way to the edge (of the reef), there will barely be any space left for new coral to form or grow. That's how I understand it anyway (please let me know if I am wrong).

In regard to the "claims" in the South China Sea, this is (perhaps) why the reefs are so important to everyone. Otherwise a country like China would have "build" an island from some empty region of the sea. Everyone needed some reef to build an island, and those reef took ... tens of thousands of years (?) to form. Furthermore, no one today can reclaim land or build island in deep water regions, at least not economically with the technology we have now.

Jovian
Sand gives little protection against waves generated by storms. So the outside of the islands will need protection by concrete. These will be heavy concrete objects made on land and transported to where they are needed and they will eventually be available for corals to grow.
 

vesicles

Colonel
Reef does not take that long to form. People nowadays intentionally sink ships and concrete structures into the ocean to provide solid structures for coral and eventually reef to form. Recreational resorts all over the world do that and are able to obtain sizable reef within a few decades.

Additionally, reef structure is fragile. Any good sized storm / hurricanes will destroy all of it, as these structures only exist I shallow water near coast. Then it has to start all over again. So it's not that big a deal.
 

joshuatree

Captain
Older pic but a nice close up of Fiery.

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kwaigonegin

Colonel
Nothing that can't be fixed by a little education requirement and some enforced rules, visitor quotas will help control overcrowding but won't prevent bad behavior or root out bad apples. Palau should require all visitors to watch a video upon arriving to be taught proper behavior around wildlife and be educated about locally appropriate behavior. Back it up with fines to be paid before leaving or keep a running tab with visitors' home countries, immediate bans to other attractions, blacklisting against future visits, price hikes, and so on. Tourism is messy business for any popular destination.

Not just Palau but all countries. I've personally experienced a couple of bad encounters with Chinese tourists when I was abroad. I came very close to putting one guy down who was just shoving and pushing his way through .. if it wasn't for the lil lady putting some sense in me lol.

OTOH the few mainland chinese immigrants I know here including the ones at the local mom pop Chinese places are the nicest people around. Go figure!

Education starts at home. If you disrespect your own house you will your neighbors. It's as easy as that.
 
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