If its is a shopping mall it will not be only for the Chinese living there but also for the Vietnamese and Phillipine garrizons on neighboring islands.
PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)
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lcloo
Captain
Agree! Me too, I will be pretty depressed. ha ha.
From the pictures I have seen, this Vietnamese garrison does not look to be too far away.
Do you know how far apart it is from Johnson South?
They are 1.7 km away from each other, and is joined by an underwater land strip not more than 100 feet deep, judging from color of the sea water.
Zetageist
Junior Member
In that case, PLA just need to turn that big building they are building on Johnson South into a casino, and invite Vietnamese garrison over for a party filled with prostitutes. Vietnamese garrison actually successfully captured a Filipino Spratly islet using this ploy when they were still buddies.
What advantage would this policy give to Vietnam?
I am surprised such idiotic idea can get published -- speak volume of the intellectual bankruptcy of neo-cons.
The reason that strategy worked before is because both US and USSR were much stronger than China at the time and can smash Chinese attack if China tried anything. That is no longer true -- in fact, anything within the first island chain have doubtful life expectancy. Even the US Navy has difficulty surviving, not to mention Japan and India.
So such 'strategy' will not do anything except annoy China. And hasn't your mother taught you not to annoy wild animals?
If China really get pissed, does anyone wants to fight a land war with China in the periphery of China? Even if you can resist Chinese air and sea assets, what would you do when your airbases and ports in Vietnam fall to Chinese army?
Failing that, China is perfectly capable of pulling a Cuba style embargo against Vietnam.
Vietnam is not stupid. I really doubt Vietnam will allow anyone to base troops in Vietnam.
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Sounds like fanciful thinking to me, unless the Vietnamese Communist party is thinking about disbanding and stop ruling Vietnam there's no way they'll allow US, Japan etc to setup base in their country.
joshuatree
Captain
The suggestion to base US, Indian, and/or Japanese military on Vietnamese bases is fraught with its own complications.
- Internal Vietnamese sentiment to foreign forces on sovereign territory (think days of French colonialism)
- Sentiment of other claimants as you can be sure Vietnam would be bolder with its claims if there are US/Indian/Japanese forces backing them up (think Japan with US saying they will back them up if conflict erupts over Diaoyu)
- Indonesia's aspiration to be the regional naval influence in ASEAN
- What good will military patrols do if the current strategy is to have CG ships patrol and enforce fishing/EEZ claims, not so much freedom of navigation (no container ship has ever been impacted by the SCS jostling, has any Vietnamese flagged or Filipino flagged container ship been intercepted and denied passage)? Military ships engaging CG vessels raises the stakes and signals an escalation. Joint CG patrols from foreign nations are a grey zone because it would mean these foreign nations have decided a position on boundary claims. The US has not ratified UNCLOS and puts them in a more awkward position than India or Japan in this regards.
- Internal Vietnamese sentiment to foreign forces on sovereign territory (think days of French colonialism)
- Sentiment of other claimants as you can be sure Vietnam would be bolder with its claims if there are US/Indian/Japanese forces backing them up (think Japan with US saying they will back them up if conflict erupts over Diaoyu)
- Indonesia's aspiration to be the regional naval influence in ASEAN
- What good will military patrols do if the current strategy is to have CG ships patrol and enforce fishing/EEZ claims, not so much freedom of navigation (no container ship has ever been impacted by the SCS jostling, has any Vietnamese flagged or Filipino flagged container ship been intercepted and denied passage)? Military ships engaging CG vessels raises the stakes and signals an escalation. Joint CG patrols from foreign nations are a grey zone because it would mean these foreign nations have decided a position on boundary claims. The US has not ratified UNCLOS and puts them in a more awkward position than India or Japan in this regards.
Geographer
Junior Member
This Chinese seems to describe land reclamation projects in the South China Sea. Can someone who reads Chinese confirm this?
Caption: 中国在南海填海最新照 (Google Translate: China in the South China Sea reclamation latest photos)
Caption: 美济礁的造岛工程就要开工了 (Google Translate: Mischief Reef Island project would start making the)
Caption: 我国南海造岛大都采取吹沙填礁造岛的方式 (Google Translate: Most of China's South Sea island made taking blowing sand fill reef island way)
Caption: 永署岛边缘距离礁盘边缘约有百米远 (Google Translate: Wing Island Department edge distance of about one hundred meters far from the edge of the reef)
Malaysian-controlled island
Caption: 马来西亚控制下的弹丸礁。虽然命名为弹丸，但马来西亚人也在这弹丸上修建了机场等设施。 (Google Translate: Malaysia projectile reef under control. Although named as projectiles, but also in this Malaysian airports and other facilities built on the projectile.)
Caption: 中国在南海填海最新照 (Google Translate: China in the South China Sea reclamation latest photos)
Caption: 美济礁的造岛工程就要开工了 (Google Translate: Mischief Reef Island project would start making the)
Caption: 我国南海造岛大都采取吹沙填礁造岛的方式 (Google Translate: Most of China's South Sea island made taking blowing sand fill reef island way)
Caption: 永署岛边缘距离礁盘边缘约有百米远 (Google Translate: Wing Island Department edge distance of about one hundred meters far from the edge of the reef)
Malaysian-controlled island
Caption: 马来西亚控制下的弹丸礁。虽然命名为弹丸，但马来西亚人也在这弹丸上修建了机场等设施。 (Google Translate: Malaysia projectile reef under control. Although named as projectiles, but also in this Malaysian airports and other facilities built on the projectile.)