PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)

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Subi Reef appears have--or have had--some construction going on, including a new miniature lighthouse and some wooden huts next to the helipad. What do you think?

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Geographer

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What outpost is this? It looks like Johnson South Reef but I've never seen a miniature lighthouse in the picture. The only place I've seen a lighthouse is at Fiery Cross Reef, but this is clearly not Fiery Cross Reef.

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joshuatree

Captain
Wonder if it means permanently deployed there or will it rotate out with another unit periodically? Think the projections were (4) 5,000 tonne vessels were to be built for the CG.


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China is to base a 5,000-tonne marine patrol ship at disputed islands in the South China Sea, a government newspaper said yesterday, a move that is likely to fuel territorial disputes with its Asian neighbours.

The China Ocean News, which is published by the State Oceanic Administration, said the vessel would be based at the small town of Sansha on one of the Paracel Islands and that a regular patrol system would be set up from the base gradually.

Sansha was established two years ago to administer areas of the South China Sea that are also claimed by Vietnam and the Philippines.

The decision to base the patrol boat in the area was part of an agreement between Sansha and the maritime authorities in Hainan , the report said.

The agreement covered search-and-rescue missions, marine conservation and overseeing safe navigation in the area, the newspaper said.

China's biggest patrol vessel is a 4,000-tonne ship, suggesting it will build a bigger vessel to carry out the patrols from Sansha.

Meanwhile, the China State Shipbuilding Corporation, one of the country's two shipbuilding giants, said yesterday it was to build a 10,000-tonne marine surveillance ship.

It will be the world's biggest marine patrol ship, bigger than the Japanese coastguard's 7,000-tonne Shikishima PLH 31 vessel.

A mainland maritime expert denied the move to build bigger patrol vessels was aimed at challenging the authority of neighbouring countries involved in territorial disputes with China.

"What China has done is to defend the country's rights and interests because it needs more bigger ships to oversee maritime security in the huge area covered by the South China Sea," said Professor Wang Hanling , a maritime expert at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

"The establishment of a patrol system and other improvement works at Sansha reflects that Beijing is trying to narrow the disadvantage it has in maritime development, which was neglected over the past six decades."

Beijing has said it has 27 patrol ships, all of at least 1,000 tonnes, patrolling disputed waters in the East China Sea and the South China Sea, with some equipped with light weapons and helicopters. Another 36 larger vessels have been under construction since 2012, according to a Xinhua report.

The State Oceanic Administration has increased surveillance around the Diaoyu islands since the Japanese government, which calls them the Senkaku islands, bought some of the disputed territory two years ago.

Among the vessels patrolling in the area are China's largest patrol ship, the Haijian 50; its sister ship, Haijian 83; and Haijian 66, the mainland's fastest surveillance vessel.
 

pendragon

Junior Member
What has always struck me as illogical is the choice of Woody Island to build a (military) runway.
A bit more to the south and on the edge of the island-group is another, larger, Island (Lincoln Island?) with an nice north-west south-east orientation which would give incoming aircraft from Hainan an immediate opportunity to land, and on take-off a spratly's oriented path, cutting down on response time in case of an emergency over there.

Any news abouth military installations here anyone?
Just a small protected harbor and a couple of small constructions are visible on google earth.
 

Geographer

Junior Member
Woody Island is by far the biggest island in the Paracel Islands. It's part of a large reef that allows the runway to be built larger than the island. There are other reefs around the island group on which China could build a runway on the submerged reef but they wouldn't be near any of the major islands. It's better to build the runway on the largest island where all the administration is.

The Spratly Islands are a different situation. China has no real islands, only a few reefs. China could easily transform one of those reefs into a runway and artificial island using land reclamation, just like it did with Woody Island and Fiery Cross Reef.
 

joshuatree

Captain
What has always struck me as illogical is the choice of Woody Island to build a (military) runway.
A bit more to the south and on the edge of the island-group is another, larger, Island (Lincoln Island?) with an nice north-west south-east orientation which would give incoming aircraft from Hainan an immediate opportunity to land, and on take-off a spratly's oriented path, cutting down on response time in case of an emergency over there.

Any news abouth military installations here anyone?
Just a small protected harbor and a couple of small constructions are visible on google earth.

Given that the runway on Woody Island (Yongxing) is partially built on the reef, they could have built it in a NW / SW orientation as well which leads me to believe that perhaps the local wind pattern there actually isn't favorable in that direction. Also, historically, Woody Island was the one occupied, French, then Japanese, then ROC right after WW2. So when the ROC garrison was replaced by the PLA, it just made sense to keep building on that island.


Do you think China will do that (build a runway in Spratly)?

Doubtful, building a runway on those reefs may enable quicker reach by plane but without support facilities such as those on Woody Island, the plane needs to provision itself for the return trip so cargo load would be limited. More frequent ship visits such as CG would provide better support and those new Zubrs can delivery quickly if needed.

Taiping Island would be a different story since it is an island.
 

Geographer

Junior Member
Taiping Island already has a long runway and news from Taiwan says they're upgrading the seaport facilities as well. That runway can support C-130 transport planes.

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joshuatree

Captain
Taiping Island already has a long runway and news from Taiwan says they're upgrading the seaport facilities as well. That runway can support C-130 transport planes.

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Yes but I don't believe that runway has support facilities so the C-130s have to account for what they need to get back. Hopefully expanded sea facilities will improve that.
 
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