PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)

Zetageist

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A point of correction, whether an island is inhabited or not has no bearing on whether it can generated an EZZ, the key test is whether it can generate economic activity, and the key test for that is whether the island has its own standing water source IIRC.

All it comes down to is to have enough allies sitting in the UNCLCS to grant you the EZZ:

Japan extends its sea territory by 177,000 sq km in line with UN ruling:
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I have posted this article before, so just a link now.

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Sweeper Monk

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A point of correction, whether an island is inhabited or not has no bearing on whether it can generated an EZZ, the key test is whether it can generate economic activity, and the key test for that is whether the island has its own standing water source IIRC.
The relevant passage reads " rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone" from article 121 clause 3.

One would have thought for small islands, one would need to demonstrate people living there and having some sort of economic activity. I am not saying an island that is unihabited cannot sustain human habitation, but it strikes me as unproven until you actually put people there for prolong periods.
 

advill

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I was told by a Western Naval Hydrographer a few years ago when I asked him who owns the reefs/islands in the South China Sea? He answered, based on former Western Colonial Powers in the 19th & 20th Centuries: The Nation that has the strongest Navy & Military might can push aside all puny small countries, & that is a fact in what China is doing now. Let's be honest about this. I reiterate, the best solutions to these nagging problems of claimants are to focus on diplomacy, & rely on the UN International Court of Law (UNCLOS) to be the arbitrator.
 

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I was told by a Western Naval Hydrographer a few years ago when I asked him who owns the reefs/islands in the South China Sea? He answered, based on former Western Colonial Powers in the 19th & 20th Centuries: The Nation that has the strongest Navy & Military might can push aside all puny small countries, & that is a fact in what China is doing now. Let's be honest about this. I reiterate, the best solutions to these nagging problems of claimants are to focus on diplomacy, & rely on the UN International Court of Law (UNCLOS) to be the arbitrator.

The best solution is a diplomatic solution, but you realize of course that effective diplomacy rests on power?

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no_name

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I was told by a Western Naval Hydrographer a few years ago when I asked him who owns the reefs/islands in the South China Sea? He answered, based on former Western Colonial Powers in the 19th & 20th Centuries: The Nation that has the strongest Navy & Military might can push aside all puny small countries, & that is a fact in what China is doing now. Let's be honest about this. I reiterate, the best solutions to these nagging problems of claimants are to focus on diplomacy, & rely on the UN International Court of Law (UNCLOS) to be the arbitrator.

advill, a big bear and a little dog is given a lamb carcass. The bear gnawed on the whole lamb save for a front leg that broke off. If the little dog is content with the front leg then all would be fine and there would be peace, as well as safety, the bear would not be bothered. If the dog decides that it shall have half the lamb despite being one-tenth the size there will be conflict and peril. You say the first is unfair. I say the second would be unnatural.

But luckily a real dog has enough sense to understand that things need to be natural.

Why do you think the Philippines wants US involved. Because there is another potential bear there. It would be like the dog who now think he is a tough bear, because there is another bear behind him. I'm not sure if the other bear really wish for the little dog to get his half of the lamb carcass, or whether this is just good opportunity for saying to the first bear that he still matters.
 
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Lezt

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The structure would survive anything tossed at it by VN PH BN IN and MY.

10 metres thick of concrete? That far exceeds the most extreme structures built for similar purposes.

A dumb bomb lands, does minimal damage to the 10 metres of reinforced rebar and concrete, and the strategic value remains.

These structures are explicitly designed to withstand a regional clash over the islands, but are specifically not designed to withstand the US or JP navy.

So you agree that any bomb on the island with or without structure will be an attack on sovereign Chinese soil?

You do know that in WW2, 10 ton grand slam bombs penetrated the 7.2 m RC u-boat pen in 1945?
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. Just saying, you just need a big enough bomb.

Now, lets say you are right, what strategic equipment do you think will be placed inside those structures? missiles will be rendered useless by blast shock waves. electronic warfare equipment is fragile. Normal gun turret? its hardly strategic at all.

The strategic philosophy; those structure don't matter in a regional war, one shot on the island, the PLAN will be sailing down. As you also said, individually, or combined, VN PH BN IN and MY cannot challenge the PLAN in a full brawl.
 
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