PLAN East Sea Fleet & Bases/Islands
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This just shows that China is generally unprepared for emergencies, and lacking some professionalism - which is normal, considering the rapid growth of the CCG fleet that would make crew training suffer quite a bit.
It appears that China is bad at reacting to these preventable PR disasters, just like the Burma border shelling that year.
There is definitely weaknesses that needs to be adressed to prevent future face-losses like these.
It appears that China is bad at reacting to these preventable PR disasters, just like the Burma border shelling that year.
There is definitely weaknesses that needs to be adressed to prevent future face-losses like these.
Blackstone
Brigadier
That's probably because CCP mandarins view China's CG as an extension of the PLAN, and not as a civilian-quasi-military law enforcement agency. I remember a video from West 2014 where the US naval intelligence director in the Pacific Command said the CCG was a professional harassment force.
What PR "disaster" are you talking about? One-sided stories in Western and Japanese media don't mean squat in China, even if they have most of the facts correct and complete; empirical evidence show that's uncommon. Beijing's words and actions make perfect sense from interest perspective, as it must protect Party primacy and national sovereignty (in that order) before all else.
As for so-called "PR disasters," evidence suggest they dissipate quickly, with few long-term damages that can't be managed. What evidence you say? A great power illegally invaded another sovereign state on what turned out to be false pretenses. It now admits its intelligence was wrong, and the invasion was a mistake. Nevertheless, the great power suffered no lasting PR damage, as its standing among nations is high as ever.
The invaded politi, on the other hand, no longer exist; it's leaders dead or gone, its nation fractured, rampant lawlessness, warlords aplenty, civil war ablaze, ISIS plunder and murder, foreign power pick at its carcass, and its people without hope. All the king's men and all the king's horses couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
What other country does the above sound like? That's why it's not hard to understand why their people say "never again!"
That's not CCP or China's view, not at all. And they're definitely not, because how they're equipped and personnel-ed and trained. Their mission is mot military. Various US think tanks and media and certain figures in US military are hell bent on insisting Chinese CG are extension of Chinese military and are instruments of "aggression" and "coercion" and count then as part of Chinese military. Their motives are understandable, but their characterization is completely wrong. Not that this is surprising though.
So quoting these people does not constitute any proof. Theirs are propaganda and PR, pure and simple.
Blackstone
Brigadier
That's your opinion and you're entitled to them. I see it the other way around; China Coast Guard is an extension of the military, and for all practical purposes, functions to not only enforce Chinese maritime and Customs laws, it also protects Chinese sovereignty and portions of its SLOC. To that end, the CCG employs all methods, from generally accepted international law enforcement procedures to intimidation, harassment, and outright violence. That's the real China Coast Guard.
On the other hand, I don't believe there's anything unusual about the way Chain CG acts, relative to other CGs. When it comes to protecting national security, nations of similar power behave much the same way, so I doubt the China CG is any more or less brutal than others in history.
superdog
Junior Member
I don't think what we know now is sufficient to reach such a conclusion. Not that I believe the CCG will not have any problem in their emergency rescue operations, but the sole fact that JCG got to the accident site first in this collision is not indicative of anything regarding how competent the CCG is, or even how much better (if at all) the JCG is, as there are far too many spontaneous factors that could have lead to the situation at hand.
If the CCG were shown to have not reacted immediately when they heard about the incident, or if they didn't monitor channels when they should have, then your conclusion is appropriate. But so far these are nothing more than hearsay propagated by those who couldn't wait to score some cheap political points.
Like a lot of things, China is a late-comer to the party, and has to learn and respond quickly to other parties.
There were no CG until a few years ago; it has five overlapping agencies managing maritime affairs including fishery etc. That Japanese repeatedly used their CG against Chinese fishermen and other civilians have greatly enraged China; China had no counterpart government agency that can handle the regulations and enforcement on the sea. It thus responded by consolidating five overlapping agencies into CG and launched a CG ship building spree that have since equipped CG with ships that has greatly exceeded Japanese CG in quantity and tonnage.
Similarly, China has had no ADIZ until recently. That Japan regularly publishes reports saying that they "have scrambled over 500 takeoff's a year " against Chinese aircraft (or something like that) gives the impression that China has been invading Japanese aerospace increasingly. China had to announce its own ADIZ, and the "international community" were "shocked" by Chinese "aggression" and "assertiveness" even though the US, Japan and others had done so for many decades.
There are other cases, and there will be more to come. The truth is China is like a new kid on the block, a bulking and huge one, such that others are feeling threatened; they have had this sense of entitlement for so long and are having a hard time accepting others doing the same thing, especially those that don't exactly see eye-to-eye with them in everything. Their responses force China to respond and, in the process, to become a world-class player in pretty much everything. We've been seeing this happening...
Blackstone
Brigadier
The maritime accident occurred near Diaoyu isle, so it's only natural a Chinese patrol ship escort the participants to port. Glad to see it's now SOP.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Oh, Janiz! Finally something small goes Japan's way! Congratulations for performing like a regular coast guard and saving lives; really. Compared to the other things that are happening with Japan, this definitely qualifies as a LEGENDARY victory. And now, you wait for your legendary prize: more Chinese vessels around the Diaoyu Islands tomorrow. And don't forget your legendary "thank you" letter! Keep playing the legendary game; more legendary prizes to come!Not seventeen but fifteen...
And this action will be legendary! You know, Chinese CG cutters left the area around Senkaku Islands. But you would like to know the story behind it?
Yes, one of those boats which was a part of the flotilla that went near Senkakus under Chinese CG protection collided with Greek registered freighter and sunk. Japanese CG acted swiftly in the rescue operations saving as many Chinese lives as they could and Chinese CG cutters went back home after being rendered futile! Chinese side sincerely thanked the Japanese like they should.
This event will be LEGENDARY! What's the response of Chinese netizens?