PLAN close in weapon

Re: China's Type 1030 CIWS fires over 10,000 rounds/min.

no_name said:

I think it might even have 12 barrel. If look at the hexagon structure it's approx. 2 barrel per side.

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Looking at this picture, I would say that it is more likely ten barrels:



There appear to be five to a side from that pic.

Red___Sword said:

Please "reassure" us that you are not refering the "top cylinder" part of Phalanx, when you talking the "ammo drum". (Cause it's not)

Phalanx uses under belly ammo transit mechnism, though I am not sure how much exactly Phalanx rounds carries normally, but I am pretty weired if our beloved BP has served aboard ships that can only provide 20-seconds-worthy of "Close IN Sheild" to her crew.

BP, care to clarify?

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it carries what I said it carried because I know what I speak of.... and NO when I say ammo drum I am talking about the actual magazine drum not the white radome you thought I meant. I've seen Phalanx CIWS from 4 ft away so I hope that is reassurance enough for you.

I guess one picture will come out soon enough with the frontal view and the cover off, so we can really count it up. Until then, more guessing game. I've raised my assessment to 10 barrels.

kwaigonegin said:

it carries what I said it carried because I know what I speak of.... and NO when I say ammo drum I am talking about the actual magazine drum not the white radome you thought I meant. I've seen Phalanx CIWS from 4 ft away so I hope that is reassurance enough for you.

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Thanks.

I just can't imaging that Phalanx "only" carries that much of munition. If the munition supply in under-belly, what keeps Phalanx (and alike) to have a such limited supply?

Is it because phalanx do not dish out the 弹壳 cartridge case, but to "collect" them in a more complex way - and that complxity denies further munition supply?

730, 1130 looks surely dish out the cartridge cases like hell (and making a mess)

Well, from what I can tell (thanks to sinodefense.com), the Type 730 only has about 1,000 rounds of ammo ready to fire, the later blocs of the Phalanx has over 1,500 rounds ready to fire. I do believe that most "Gatling" style CIWS systems use a cartridge collection system, I wouldn't know exactly why, but I'd hazard that the ejection of the cartridges would be dangerous to nearby seamen or equipment (as the cartridge will be very hot) so thus collecting them would increase safety, but that's just a guess.

IMO, however, I believe Gun-systems are obsolete and that a pure LOAL multi-missile launcher system (I'm referring to the SEA-RAM) is the present and future.

I don't know about other systems but the type 730 seems to simply eject its shells.

IronsightSniper said:

IMO, however, I believe Gun-systems are obsolete and that a pure LOAL multi-missile launcher system (I'm referring to the SEA-RAM) is the present and future.

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Lots of flexability, redundancy, and coverage in combining the two, as the PLAN is doing on the Varyag, just like the US now does on its carriers...except the US also adds a mid range missile in the Evolved Sea-Sparrow.

Here's the Varyag now and, IMHO, it is pretty impressive.

Granted, a gun system would work most efficiently v.s. small boats or slow planes, but other than that, I'd much prefer lots of SEA-RAMs and ESSMs and SM-6s watching me than waste the money and space to add some multi-barreled cannons.

IronsightSniper said:

Granted, a gun system would work most efficiently v.s. small boats or slow planes, but other than that, I'd much prefer lots of SEA-RAMs and ESSMs and SM-6s watching me than waste the money and space to add some multi-barreled cannons.

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bullets are unguided, that means they are un-jammable!
you can have a guy inside with a joystick and blast away at the target.

Bullets need not be going fast when they are hit by a fast missile going the other way.