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AssassinsMace

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You always hear about these UUVs China finds. They seem to have a high rate of failure. How many of them do they launch and end up failing that China hasn't found?
 

quantumlight

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great news! the US and the japs have been trashing PLAN's anti submarine capability for a long time, if a Virginia can be tracked and forced to surface, then the old Ohio is simply turkey class.

Anyone have a TW invasion scenario for Command: Modern Operations?
 

Ndla2

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great news! the US and the japs have been trashing PLAN's anti submarine capability for a long time, if a Virginia can be tracked and forced to surface, then the old Ohio is simply turkey class.
How do we force a submarine to surface without actually attacking it and starting a conflict/war?
 

Kich

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It degrades this place to continue this speculation since it still has not been confirmed to be a sub.
There needs to be more rumors from PLAN officials or US officials first, or better yet, news stories about it needs to appears somewhere. And there will be stories if it really was a USN sub that surfaced near one of PLAN capital ships.
 

Ndla2

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Maybe it was within 12 miles from China coasts
If it is within the Chinese territorial water, then it is not "forced" per the OP comment.

My question was, how do you force a submat to surface without actually attacking it and starting a conflict/war? Not because the submarine voluntarily doing it per innocent passage. Because to be honest, i don't see any way to do it. Or did i missed something?
 

Lethe

Captain
My question was, how do you force a submat to surface without actually attacking it and starting a conflict/war? Not because the submarine voluntarily doing it per innocent passage. Because to be honest, i don't see any way to do it. Or did i missed something?

My understanding is that constant lashing with active sonar at close range is quite an uncomfortable experience. In such a scenario, surfacing is basically an admission of defeat: "ok you won, make it stop."

Not saying that's what happened here, but that's the theory. Also, even if it did happen I wouldn't count on a public announcement. My understanding is that during the Cold War it was more or less a gentlemen's agreement not to cause the other to lose face by publicly airing such incidents, with the threat of the other party airing their counter-detections behind it.
 
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